Buu Saga: The Best/Worst Saga In DBZ

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Re: Buu Saga: The Best/Worst Saga In DBZ

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:52 pm

I don't remember him ever saying that.
He pretty much refused to fight until Cell made him mad. If I re-call he even said He doesn't want to fight. Unless that's an anime thing only. Let me check my manga

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Post by perucho1990 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:07 pm

Buu Saga wouldve been more suited for someone like Kishimoto or Kubo to write, plus it wouldve been better IMO no offense. I remember the intro of the Buu Saga in the anime, and well i kinda was expecting "PAIRINGS" ala Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail...

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:27 am

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I don't remember him ever saying that.
He pretty much refused to fight until Cell made him mad. If I re-call he even said He doesn't want to fight. Unless that's an anime thing only. Let me check my manga
Pretty much. Gohan was on the defensive the whole time and didn't bother to try hard.
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Post by Dr. Machismo » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:11 pm

I never realized this, but the fact Supreme Kai failed to tell anyone about Buu's absorption ability is a major story flaw.
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Post by mAcChaos » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:56 pm

He never told them about his regeneration either. He never had a chance to.
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Post by Dr. Machismo » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:54 pm

mAcChaos wrote:He never told them about his regeneration either. He never had a chance to.
He definitely had a chance to tell them about Buu's abilities on the Supreme Kai Planet. And even before that. When flying to Babidi's space. When in Babidi's spaceship. When at the tournament.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:57 pm

He also fails to warn the others of Dabra's salvia turning people into stone until the demon actually takes a spit on two of them (Piccolo and Kuririn).
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Post by ABED » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:14 pm

My answer to this is "Toriyama probably didn't think of it."
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Post by Dr. Machismo » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:30 pm

ABED wrote:My answer to this is "Toriyama probably didn't think of it."
That still doesn't excuse the fact that it was a major story flaw. And there were definitely other ways to continue the story.
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Post by ABED » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:02 am

Dr. Machismo wrote:
ABED wrote:My answer to this is "Toriyama probably didn't think of it."
That still doesn't excuse the fact that it was a major story flaw. And there were definitely other ways to continue the story.
I wasn't implying that it excuses the story flaw, simply pointing out that Kaioshin was made to look stupid because of Toriyama's fly by the seat of his pants writing.
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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:12 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Another problem I have with a lot of the fights in this arc too is that they are one-sided, so they lack tension. The Vegetto battle was a snooze outside of the candy gag.
I thought the Vegitto fight was the worst fight in the franchise; second to Gogeta vs Omega.. (which was oddly similar).
Because of how much time I felt was wasted throughout it since he was introduced. I get that they needed to waste a bit of time to trick buu into absorbing him but, when was that ever conceived to be an option? Before it was considered the fight was nothing but staredowns and taunt exchanges featuring Buu at his most whiniest personality of them all. It was basically a rehash of the Semi-Cell vs Super Vegeta, exactly, the same. Terribly one sided, villain losing their mind being incompetently weaker and Vegeta screwing around with no hint of having any plan besides pleasing himself.

The problem I had with the Buu arc in general was Buu himself. He was just a brick wall villain who happened to be the strongest among the saga trio for no reason at all. He isnt any more intelligent than Cui and did nothing but regenerate and force the Z-senshi to start over from scratch time and time again.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:52 pm

ABED wrote:
Dr. Machismo wrote:
ABED wrote:My answer to this is "Toriyama probably didn't think of it."
That still doesn't excuse the fact that it was a major story flaw. And there were definitely other ways to continue the story.
I wasn't implying that it excuses the story flaw, simply pointing out that Kaioshin was made to look stupid because of Toriyama's fly by the seat of his pants writing.
Yeah, but it's been well-established that Kaioshin is an idiot.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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