Frieza's true form

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Re: Freeza's true form

Post by hleV » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:09 am

I imagine it hard to mimic a ki technique for someone who can't even sense ki.

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Re: Freeza's true form

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:41 pm

The way I see it, Freeza became what Kame-sennin was afraid for his students: Freeza was born with unnaturally large battle power, and trained to become the strongest in the universe. Once he reached the top, he stopped trying because he didn't believe that there would be anyone else that would reach him.
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Re: Freeza's true form

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:08 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The way I see it, Freeza became what Kame-sennin was afraid for his students: Freeza was born with unnaturally large battle power, and trained to become the strongest in the universe. Once he reached the top, he stopped trying because he didn't believe that there would be anyone else that would reach him.
That's how I see it as well. He doesn't seem to be a brawler and he had to have picked up some techniques and fighting styles from his dad.
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Re: Freeza's true form

Post by Linnom » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:10 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The way I see it, Freeza became what Kame-sennin was afraid for his students: Freeza was born with unnaturally large battle power, and trained to become the strongest in the universe. Once he reached the top, he stopped trying because he didn't believe dólares there would be anyone else that would reach him.
I never tought about this, good theory!

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Re: Freeza's true form

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:11 pm

I think he trained to up his power, hoping to surpass his dad and become the real king. He was pretty close (the max of his true form is around 84 million by the time we see him on Namek, and King Cold is probably 90-105 million at his max) to doing so, when he used his mastery of ki manipulation to discover a new transformation. Kind of like how Vegeta discovered Grade II. This technique was let him finally surpass his dad. After that, he stopped training for the most part.

I think a similar thing happened with Cooler. While one of the strongest beings in the universe, he was still below Freeza and Cold. He trained his but off to get to their level, but still couldn't come close until he discovered a new transformation much stronger than Freeza's buff state. Unlike Freeza, Cooler continued to train even after surpassing his dad and brother, but not to Goku levels. That's why he can seemingly sense ki and gather energy way faster than his brother, walk around in his true form, and other things.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Freeza's true form

Post by mAcChaos » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:34 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:It is also implied that he was weaker than Cold at some point, since Freeza said that his father once hurt him in his final form. Plus, he has to train to obtain the techniques and abilities he has shown.
I assumed that was just when he was a little kid.
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