Why is SSJ God so powerful?

[TheGmGoken]

GmMoken

Da Faq?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Power levels are still assumptions. When making power levels, aren't you gonna have to assume what Goku's power level was when he fought Broly, or when he did turn into a SSJ God? This math equation is merely an attempt at making sense of something that wasn't delved into, much like how fan opinions on power levels, again, try to make sense of what wasn't delved into. If you're trying to say there's no point in trying to make sense of something Toei didn't bother to think about, you might as well stop making power level lists because they're ultimately pointless.

The difference is we have been given a basis to go on. Goku isn't stronger than Freeza in base (so we know he can't be above 120,000,000). We know the SSJ multipliers so we can predict how stronge people will become after each transformation. We have character statements and gaps to to use for other placements. For SSJ GOD, we have NOTHING to go on. No indicators, no ideals, NO NOTHING.

At that point, you make theories. We have nothing to go on when Goku ripped Broly a new one, but that doesn't stop people from trying to make sense of what wasn't delved into. We know SSJ God is stronger than Super Vegetto, so we have a range. The question is what's the multiplier and why? Zephyr made a logical argument for Goku's power, so I'm using that logic for a multiplier. I'm not saying this is a fact, it's merely an attempt to make sense of something Toei, or Toriyama, didn't think about.

[TheMightyOzaru]

GmMoken

Da Faq?

Woops, fixed.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Not that I agree with the GT aspect, for for those who do go with that line of thought; Vegetto is said to possibly be in league with SS4 Goku from the Bebi Arc. There are scenes in GT which could imply that base Goku has surpassed his SS3 self from the Buu Arc. If Super Saiyan God is roughly in that same tier of power as Vegetto and Super Saiyan 4, since Birus is stronger and still beats the form, then that means he has to be somewhere around Base x 160,000 at least.

Not much, but something. :/

[dbzfan7]

At that point, you make theories. We have nothing to go on when Goku ripped Broly a new one, but that doesn't stop people from trying to make sense of what wasn't delved into. We know SSJ God is stronger than Super Vegetto, so we have a range. The question is what's the multiplier and why? Zephyr made a logical argument for Goku's power, so I'm using that logic for a multiplier. I'm not saying this is a fact, it's merely an attempt to make sense of something Toei, or Toriyama, didn't think about.

I added the whole Vegetto thing in my post when I remembered it. We also sort of have something. We can possibly have SSJ God being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto or maybe just SSJ Vegetto. We have no real indicator. Random was just stating the logic that was used as it's the same as what happened in movie 4,8,GT, etc. Can we rationalize it, maybe. His answer makes the most sense as the movie is just doing what has been done before.

[TheMightyOzaru]

At that point, you make theories. We have nothing to go on when Goku ripped Broly a new one, but that doesn't stop people from trying to make sense of what wasn't delved into. We know SSJ God is stronger than Super Vegetto, so we have a range. The question is what's the multiplier and why? Zephyr made a logical argument for Goku's power, so I'm using that logic for a multiplier. I'm not saying this is a fact, it's merely an attempt to make sense of something Toei, or Toriyama, didn't think about.

I added the whole Vegetto thing in my post when I remembered it. We also sort of have something. We can possibly have SSJ God being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto or maybe just SSJ Vegetto. We have no real indicator. Random was just stating the logic that was used as it's the same as what happened in movie 4,8,GT, etc. Can we rationalize it, maybe. His answer makes the most sense as the movie is just doing what has been done before.

That's a generic answer that I'm not looking for.

[dbzfan7]

That's a generic answer that I'm not looking for.

Except unlike the math equations, his point has an actual backbone to it and evidence to support it. Until we get some news about SSJ God's power which seems to fluctuate as I doubt the original one was that strong, then we have nothing.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That's a generic answer that I'm not looking for.

Except unlike the math equations, his point has an actual backbone to it and evidence to support it. Until we get some news about SSJ God's power which seems to fluctuate as I doubt the original one was that strong, then we have nothing.

Look, I'll blunt, I don't give a shit if my theories are baseless. They are merely attempts to make sense of all this. RG96 just stated the obvious, which is not what I'm looking for. Please, lets move on to theories, which is what I asked for in the first place.

[dbzfan7]

That's a generic answer that I'm not looking for.

Except unlike the math equations, his point has an actual backbone to it and evidence to support it. Until we get some news about SSJ God's power which seems to fluctuate as I doubt the original one was that strong, then we have nothing.

Look, I'll blunt, I don't give a shit if my theories are baseless. They are merely attempts to make sense of all this. RG96 just stated the obvious, which is not what I'm looking for. Please, lets move on to theories, which is what I asked for in the first place.

If you say so. I don't find baseless theories any fun unless we have something to go on. We sorta have something with him being above SSJ Vegetto. But the past SSj God didn't seem that powerful at all which totally wrecks the multipliers possibilities of being consistent.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If you say so. I don't find baseless theories any fun unless we have something to go on. We sorta have something with him being above SSJ Vegetto. But the past SSj God didn't seem that powerful at all which totally wrecks the multipliers possibilities of being consistent.

My multiplier works like this:
5 x A x BP
A: I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, but here's an example. Say Goku's BP was 96,000,000. A would be 10,000,000. If Goku's BP was 9,600,000, A would be 1,000,000.
I would imagine the first SSJ God had a BP of 2,000 at most so his BP as a SSJ God would be 10,000,000 at most IMO.

[dbzfan7]

If you say so. I don't find baseless theories any fun unless we have something to go on. We sorta have something with him being above SSJ Vegetto. But the past SSj God didn't seem that powerful at all which totally wrecks the multipliers possibilities of being consistent.

My multiplier works like this:
5 x A x BP
A: I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, but here's an example. Say Goku's BP was 96,000,000. A would be 10,000,000. If Goku's BP was 9,600,000, A would be 1,000,000.
I would imagine the first SSJ God had a BP of 2,000 at most so his BP as a SSJ God would be 10,000,000 at most IMO.

Seems to high. I think he may be at 100,000 or more likely less.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If you say so. I don't find baseless theories any fun unless we have something to go on. We sorta have something with him being above SSJ Vegetto. But the past SSj God didn't seem that powerful at all which totally wrecks the multipliers possibilities of being consistent.

My multiplier works like this:
5 x A x BP
A: I'm not sure of the word I'm looking for, but here's an example. Say Goku's BP was 96,000,000. A would be 10,000,000. If Goku's BP was 9,600,000, A would be 1,000,000.
I would imagine the first SSJ God had a BP of 2,000 at most so his BP as a SSJ God would be 10,000,000 at most IMO.

Seems to high. I think he may be at 100,000 or more likely less.

Well, what do you think the SSJ God's power level was prior? Just SSJ would make him that strong assuming his BP was 2,000.

[dbzfan7]

Well, what do you think the SSJ God's power level was prior? Just SSJ would make him that strong assuming his BP was 2,000.

According to guides there weren't that many Saiyans at all (kinda like Nameks). Also we know that SSJG almost wiped out all the Evil Saiyans. I think SSJG wouldn't be a gigantic amount ahead of everyone if he failed to kill a race with that had not many people. Maybe there were like 100 or so. I'm sure it was because of the short time he couldn't do it. But if he could one shot all the Evil Saiyans I would say he should have stopped them all. Though not being able to sense ki would make things harder as well. We also know the Good Saiyans were weak so they could be even lower then a thousand. We don't have to much to go on.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Would you say 400 is good? His BP would be 200,000 then.

[dbzfan7]

Would you say 400 is good? His BP would be 200,000 then.

I'm not too sure. It depends on if he fought all the Evil Saiyans at once, did he have to track them all down, the probability he couldn't sense ki, etc. We don't know how it went down.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Namekian Assimilation combines 2 powers & amplifies them by many times. Fusion combines 2 powers & amplifies them by dozens of times. Potara combines 2 powers & amplifies them possibly by hundreds of times (only for Vegetto, since Goku & Vegeta were equals). Super Saiyan God combines 5 powers from Super Saiyans (Pan doesn't count, since her BP is 0) & amplifies them possibly by thousands of times.

[dbzfan7]

Yeah the only way for there to be a multiplier is if we go by everyone's ki combined and then multiplied by something. It can't just be a straight multiplier or else they should have given the power to Gohan or Gotenks.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It can't just be a straight multiplier or else they should have given the power to Gohan or Gotenks.

Well, Gotenks can't get the form because there won't be enough Saiyans, and Super Saiyan Goku is stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan. Ultimate Gohan is the strongest of course, but it's an impure state, so ascending into Super Saiyan God from that state would probably be impossible.

[dbzfan7]

It can't just be a straight multiplier or else they should have given the power to Gohan or Gotenks.

Well, Gotenks can't get the form because there won't be enough Saiyans, and Super Saiyan Goku is stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan. Ultimate Gohan is the strongest of course, but it's an impure state, so ascending into Super Saiyan God from that state would most likely be impossible.

Oh yeah I forgot about that about Gotenks. Is Ultimate Gohan an impure state?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Is Ultimate Gohan an impure state?

Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P1.5
Context: as Gohan approaches Boo and co.
Piccolo: “It’s a str-strong ki…! I can’t tell who it is…Is it some new enemy…!?”

Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P4.1
Piccolo: “Is-is that Gohan…!? No…Something’s different about him…His features are a little different…And he has a different type of ki than before…His softness has vanished too…That’s why I couldn’t tell it was him…”

And let's not forget that Gohan wanted to kill Boo, while normally, Gohan doesn't want to kill.