Sources of DBGT hate

[TheGmGoken]

I saw this comment saying DBGT sucks because Akira Toriyama didn't write it. Do you think some fans feel this way? They just say DBGT sucks because Mr.AT didn't write it. We know some fans hate DBGT cause they want to follow the crowd. But is this another reason? How about having to follow the epic DBZ. Or how hyped everyone was during DBZ that followed but people did not like which lead it to die out. Or was people done with DB after 400+ episodes(Mixing DBZ and DB) and felt it was time for new anime to watch until Toei decided to milk the series.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

It sucks because it simply isn't enjoyable to watch.

That, and the colour palette makes me want to turn away from the screen and look out the window.

[DBZAOTA482]

It's hated because of the poorly-realized potential and ugly character designs. There's more but I won't get into that.

[Hellspawn28]

Since it was a follow up to DBZ, a lot of fans had a high hopes for it like myself. I remember as a pre-teen, I try to defend GT and I was like "It's not that bad guys". It took me a while to know how bad the show was. Dull animation, unfunny humor, annoying characters and a story full with inconsistency writing. I remember fans were hating on GT before it came out in the US. So it's not like the hate came from the US fandom when other fans already dislike the show.

[dario03]

I saw this comment saying DBGT sucks because Akira Toriyama didn't write it. Do you think some fans feel this way? They just say DBGT sucks because Mr.AT didn't write it. We know some fans hate DBGT cause they want to follow the crowd. But is this another reason? How about having to follow the epic DBZ. Or how hyped everyone was during DBZ that followed but people did not like which lead it to die out. Or was people done with DB after 400+ episodes(Mixing DBZ and DB) and felt it was time for new anime to watch until Toei decided to milk the series.

Those are all reasons. Different people are going to have different reasons for liking or not liking something. Me I didn't like most of GT because I thought it was poorly done, if AT had made it I would still think it was poorly done. And if I had enjoyed it I wouldn't of cared if it had been written by some one else.

Also the person that wrote that might of meant something else. He might not of been hating on GT simply because it wasn't written by AT but instead meant that had AT wrote it, it could of been better. People often times say that as a defense of the DB Manga and AT, basically separating GT away from the manga since AT wrote that but not GT.

[DBZ Mick]

Yes, I've seen those reasons for sure.

[SaiyaJedi]

Haven't we had almost the same topic at least twice in the past couple of months?

[Metalwario64]

Haven't we had almost the same topic at least twice in the past couple of months?

It feels like more than that to me...

[Ajay]

Haven't we had almost the same topic at least twice in the past couple of months?

This has to be at least the fourth I've seen this month.

It's always something like 'why do people hate GT', 'if you could make GT better, what would you do?', 'I like GT, what's your problem with it?' etc etc. No matter what the title is, if it's referring to GT, it ends up about 10 pages long of people saying the same things over and over about the flaws. Someone will chime in (probably me) with some positivity and then there'll be the inevitable ending discussion.

[TheGmGoken]

Haven't we had almost the same topic at least twice in the past couple of months?

I'm based this off of my Broly thread. The other GT topics are

If yo can make GT better
Is GT is over hated
ALL plot holes of GT

[Hellspawn28]

The "I liked it, therefore it's good" defense never works. I like Freddy vs. Jason, but I will never admit that it's not a good movie critically speaking. I see that with fans where they act like something is critically good because they like it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that there are a lot of fans out there that bash GT because Toriyama didn't make it, and because most of the fanbase hate it. And they haven't even seen 10 episodes...

[Hellspawn28]

I watch all of GT in both in Japanese and English. I don't care for the show at all and the show could have been good even if Toriyama didn't made it.

[Rocketman]

DON'T YOU know that it's time for Goku
Goku Goku, only Goku
Is worthy of our love
And of our anime-e-eh

Gohan, Trunks, Uub and Vegeta
You all can fuck off cuz we don't need ya
Wasn't there a green guy too
What was his name a-gai-e-an

FUCK HIM cause it sure's hell weren't Goku
Goku Goku we love Goku
Hey look we drew his nuts
Right in the intro so-o-ong

HOLD MY HAAAAAND

[Karrit]

I wouldn't call myself a DBGT hater, but I don't care for it. My reasons are:

Goku turning back into a kid was a bad move
Focus too much on Goku (though I love his character), Others got pushed into the background
I would honestly have preferred Pan to be more of the battling type than the atypical bitchy female comedy relief
Plotholes
Boring ttory arcs, although the last one was probably the best IMHO.
DBGT did have some redeeming factors like the SS4 design and the music

[TheMightyOzaru]

DON'T YOU know that it's time for Goku
Goku Goku, only Goku
Is worthy of our love
And of our anime-e-eh

Gohan, Trunks, Uub and Vegeta
You all can fuck off cuz we don't need ya
Wasn't there a green guy too
What was his name a-gai-e-an

FUCK HIM cause it sure's hell weren't Goku
Goku Goku we love Goku
Hey look we drew his nuts
Right in the intro so-o-ong

HOLD MY HAAAAAND

This, the fighting wasn't very good, it was un-funny and the power scaling is atrocious.

[goku the krump dancer]

Some people have legitimate reasons as to why they dislike GT, while most people hop on the GT Hate bandwagon in order to seem like a "True DBZ fan". A bandwagon person would say they hate GT because "It wasn't made by Toriyama" yet ironically they love Broly, Janemba, Gogeta or Cooler and none of them were made by Akira Toriyama either *Go figure*.

[Ajay]

GT falls in a few places but I still enjoy the latter part of the series.

- The entire first arc is a poor attempt to hark back to the start of the franchise with the adventurous tales of Goku and Bulma. Nothing wrong with the idea but they pulled it off extremely poorly and created a long line of pretty boring mini-tales.

- Baby saga was certainly an improvement - we've made our way back into familiar territory now, we're actually at a point that feels like an evolution of Z. However, we've got some more issues that are somewhat distracting: -

• 1. Baby, whilst an interesting concept, never quite articulates his motives as clearly as really needed. It boils down to 'you're a saiyan, saiyans fucked up my people, now I fuck up your family'. Nothing wrong with a tale of revenge but it slips off into the background after the first instance of exposition and the entire focus shifts onto SSJ4.
  
  2. SSJ4 - I love it, a lot of people hate it, whatever you feel is mostly irrelevant to the quality of the show. It's another transformation and, like every other one in the franchise, it introduces a cool, new look and comes with a load of power that has it downfalls. The actual issue I had with it was the unbearably soppy and cringe-worthy scene that triggered Goku's ability to control the transformation. Doesn't matter whether you're in English or Japanese, that little montage of shots as Goku remembers his family is downright awful. DB doesn't have the best writing in the world but damn, it's never slipped into all out cringe.

- Now, as we all know, GT is Goku's story and I have no problem with that, I think it was a natural evolution to go from Z's ending into GT the way it did. Keeping with Goku is a safe move from Toei too, he's a well loved character and they don't have to spend time developing a whole new character before making something major happen. They chose their timeframe - Oob wasn't quite ready as shown at the start of the show so there's our reason for not having him as our protagonist, that's fine, whatever, it's their choice. The issue with GT is that it is JUST Goku's story, there's next to no screen time for any character until the last saga where we've got snippets of Vegeta. The most frustrating thing about that is that every moment where they did introduce our beloved old characters were some of the best moments of the show: -

• 1. The Saiyans all giving Goku enough strength to deliver that powerful Kamehameha against Baby was a really touching moment
  2. Oob and Boo fusing was, again, a really nice scene that aided Goku in his quest.
  3. Piccolo's sacrifice, whilst I think it was handled very poorly, is yet another great moment that many remember.
  4. Finally, Vegeta and his internal monologue as he has his revelation about his relationship with Goku prior to joining him in battle.

It's moments like these that were sadly a rarity throughout the series and, should they have worked these characters into the show slowly, throwing them key scene throughout episodes rather than just coming out of nowhere to help, it would have made for a much more interesting dynamic.

Despite all of that, I enjoyed my viewing for the most part. I found it funny when it needed to be and exciting when it counted, it has a lot of missteps but it's not nearly the level of awful that many fans would have you believe.

The ending is what I consider my personal 'canon' ending. It's so beautifully written and well orchestrated that I personally feel it puts the others to shame.

[TheGmGoken]

The ending is what I consider my personal 'canon' ending. It's so beautifully written and well orchestrated that I personally feel it puts the others to shame.

I honestly kinda have my own ending that a mixture of of Z and GT.

You have Gou walking through the Tournament and keep showing flashbacks from every arc. Then switch into what the others are doing. With Goten on the phone(GT), Trunks looking for Goten and finding Gohan(Z), Vegeta shaving(GT), and the humans(Yamcha fixing his car, Tien and Chazu at the mountains, and Krillin with his daughter). Then go back to Goku with him calling the Kinuto-un and saying Goodbye. That would be the perfect ending and that should have been the ending to Z. One thing I had a issue with GT's ending was the lack of good flashbacks. Vegeta was ignored completely lol. But IHMO in terms of ending it goes.

My ending > DB Ending(Anime and Manga are tied) > GT > Z

[Hellspawn28]

GT is mostly a rehash of other ideas that we seen before. For example:

- Bebi Vegeta: Hatchiyack mixed with Majin Vegeta

- SSj4 Goku vs. Bebi Vegeta: A rehash of Goku vs. Vegeta from the Saiyajin arc. Goku beats up Vegeta, Vegeta turns into a Oozaru and Goku gets almost killed until his friends show up to help. The fight with Bebi Vegeta feels like a rehash of the same fight all over again.

- Super 17 saga: Pretty much a rehash of Fusion Reborn

- SSj4 Gogeta: Pretty much Vegito 2.0

- Super Yi Xing Long's death: Pretty much the same as Kid Buu's but with a bigger Genki Dama.