Why is SSJ God so powerful?

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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:12 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:He didn't complement fusion. He clearly says fighting sense.
He said that only after they did Fusion.
dbzfan7 wrote:Gotenks knows his brother well.
Back in Boo arc, he thought that after his training, he had surpassed his SS self before his training in base. So... yeah.
TheGmGoken wrote:I'm saying the movie was planned out as Gohan being SSJ. So we have to place Mystic Gohan at SSJ Gohan power level.
They officially explained that Gohan was a Super Saiyan in the promotional material only for promotional reasons. They always intended to make him Ultimate. So, no, we don't have to.
Fusion isn't fighting sense, it's common sense. Fighting sense would be their abilities as fighters I don't see how fusion is going to be complimented. I also fail to see how you defend all this. But GT Goku's gains are not ok.

Depending on how you take power levels some people take it as legit. The sum of Gotenks already admitted to Gohan being stronger. So Gotenks would know this as well.

I take that excuse as pure bullshit like some excuses Capcom has given fans.

Hell Vegeta takes more punches and does better than Ultimate Gohan does.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:25 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:I find that bullshit to be honest.
Most likely. But still, that's not what we are officially told, and what we officially saw.
dbzfan7 wrote:Fusion isn't fighting sense, it's common sense. Fighting sense would be their abilities as fighters I don't see how fusion is going to be complimented.
But the point is, Beers had only seen the kids doing Fusion when he made that comment. They haven't even started to fight. Which means that he was surprised that the kids could use a technique that merges them & makes them more powerful.

dbzfan7 wrote:I also fail to see how you defend all this. But GT Goku's gains are not ok.
dbzfan7 wrote:The sum of Gotenks already admitted to Gohan being stronger. So Gotenks would know this as well.
Still, that doesn't change the fact that Gotenks was stupid enough to not use Super Saiyan 3. It was a stupid move from him. Perhaps he was planning to fight as a Super Saiyan for 25 minutes, and then use Super Saiyan 3 in the rest 5 minutes, like he did against Boo.
dbzfan7 wrote:Hell Vegeta takes more punches and does better than Ultimate Gohan does.
Beers got pushed by Vegeta's punches because Beers wanted to be pushed. Beers is many, many, many times stronger than Vegeta. And Gohan & Gotenks also didn't get the chance to punch Beers, unlike Vegeta.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:29 pm

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TheGmGoken wrote:I find that bullshit to be honest.
Most likely. But still, that's not what we are officially told, and what we officially saw.
dbzfan7 wrote:Fusion isn't fighting sense, it's common sense. Fighting sense would be their abilities as fighters I don't see how fusion is going to be complimented.
But the point is, Beers had only seen the kids doing Fusion when he made that comment. They haven't even started to fight. Which means that he was surprised that the kids could use a technique that merges them & makes them more powerful.

dbzfan7 wrote:I also fail to see how you defend all this. But GT Goku's gains are not ok.
dbzfan7 wrote:The sum of Gotenks already admitted to Gohan being stronger. So Gotenks would know this as well.
Still, that doesn't change the fact that Gotenks was stupid enough to not use Super Saiyan 3. It was a stupid move from him. Perhaps he was planning to fight as a Super Saiyan for 25 minutes, and then use Super Saiyan 3 in the rest 5 minutes, like he did against Boo.
dbzfan7 wrote:Hell Vegeta takes more punches and does better than Ultimate Gohan does.
Beers got pushed by Vegeta's punches because Beers wanted to be pushed. Beers is many, many, many times stronger than Vegeta. And Gohan & Gotenks also didn't get the chance to punch Beers, unlike Vegeta.
You sure because I have only seen Gotenks form and then cut to the spanking. I'm sorry but Gotenks knows Gohan far to well to be that stupid. I think it makes way more sense Gohan was actually an SSJ which is why Gotenks didn't go SSJ3.

It's mentioned that Vegeta traded blows with Birus before the bullshit boost. He wasn't even knocked out afterwards. Vegeta was hit by Birus before the boost and was still not out cold like everyone else who was beaten up.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:30 pm

Most likely. But still, that's not what we are officially told, and what we officially saw.
Officially it's a bullshit excuse. We all know this was suppose to happen
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Beers got pushed by Vegeta's punches because Beers wanted to be pushed. Beers is many, many, many times stronger than Vegeta. And Gohan & Gotenks also didn't get the chance to punch Beers, unlike Vegeta.
Gohan got a chance. Birsu was shocked when Gohan grabbed him. Gotenks kinda had a chance as well.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:47 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I also fail to see how you defend all this.
I go by what I see. I saw Ultimate Gohan getting instantly beaten by Beers, without getting a chance to show his skills. I saw Goten & Trunks using an amazing technique, Fusion, and go Super Saiyan for some reason. He gets a compliment for his skill, and instantly gets beaten.

If Gohan can be Super Saiyan in your head, then Gotenks can be a Super Saiyan 3 in my head. Why not? Gotenks saw Ultimate Gohan getting beaten, so he should use Super Saiyan 3. Makes more sense, no?
dbzfan7 wrote:But GT Goku's gains are not ok.
They are not OK because Goku simply can not get so strong. It is stated & implied that he can't. So, it's a plot-hole.
dbzfan7 wrote:You sure because I have only seen Gotenks form and then cut to the spanking.
Yes. Gotenks is formed, Beers talks to him, Gotenks gets spanked, the end. I've seen the "fight".
dbzfan7 wrote:I'm sorry but Gotenks knows Gohan far to well to be that stupid.
He also knew himself far too well pre-RoSaT, and thought that his base post-RoSaT was stronger than his SS pre-RoSaT. It has happened before.
dbzfan7 wrote:I think it makes way more sense Gohan was actually an SSJ which is why Gotenks didn't go SSJ3.
Whatever makes more sense, in the end, Gohan was in his Ultimate state.
dbzfan7 wrote:It's mentioned that Vegeta traded blows with Birus before the bullshit boost. He wasn't even knocked out afterwards. Vegeta was hit by Birus before the boost and was still not out cold like everyone else who was beaten up.
Beers probably wanted to see Vegeta's abilities for whatever reason. Since SS3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, and SS Gotenks are stronger than SS2 Vegeta (pre-rage), Vegeta did better than Goku, Gohan, and Gotenks because Beers wanted to see what he got, instead of finishing him off instantly like with all the others. Perhaps Vegeta was his last hope, and wanted to see if Vegeta was the Super Saiyan God.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:50 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I also fail to see how you defend all this.
I go by what I see. I saw Ultimate Gohan getting instantly beaten by Beers, without getting a chance to show his skills. I saw Goten & Trunks using an amazing technique, Fusion, and go Super Saiyan for some reason. He gets a compliment for his skill, and instantly gets beaten.

If Gohan can be Super Saiyan in your head, then Gotenks can be a Super Saiyan 3 in my head. Why not? Gotenks saw Ultimate Gohan getting beaten, so he should use Super Saiyan 3. Makes more sense, no?
dbzfan7 wrote:But GT Goku's gains are not ok.
They are not OK because Goku simply can not get so strong. It is stated & implied that he can't. So, it's a plot-hole.
dbzfan7 wrote:You sure because I have only seen Gotenks form and then cut to the spanking.
Yes. Gotenks is formed, Beers talks to him, Gotenks gets spanked, the end. I've seen the "fight".
dbzfan7 wrote:I'm sorry but Gotenks knows Gohan far to well to be that stupid.
He also knew himself far too well pre-RoSaT, and thought that his base post-RoSaT was stronger than his SS pre-RoSaT. It has happened before.
dbzfan7 wrote:I think it makes way more sense Gohan was actually an SSJ which is why Gotenks didn't go SSJ3.
Whatever makes more sense, in the end, Gohan was in his Ultimate state.
dbzfan7 wrote:It's mentioned that Vegeta traded blows with Birus before the bullshit boost. He wasn't even knocked out afterwards. Vegeta was hit by Birus before the boost and was still not out cold like everyone else who was beaten up.
Beers probably wanted to see Vegeta's abilities for whatever reason. Since SS3 Goku, Ultimate Gohan, and SS Gotenks are stronger than SS2 Vegeta (pre-rage), Vegeta did better than Goku, Gohan, and Gotenks because Beers wanted to see what he got, instead of finishing him off instantly like with all the others. Perhaps Vegeta was his last hope, and wanted to see if Vegeta was the Super Saiyan God.
I really don't see how any of that works. Or how GT Goku is bullshit but this is all perfectly fine. I don't see Gotenks going "Der my stronger brother lost so i'll use a weaker form then full power for absolutely no reason der" or Birus gives Vegeta special treatment but everyone else get's nothing. If you knew nothing of power levels you would clearly see Vegeta did way better than Gohan did. I'd say these are just as bad as GT plot holes.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:54 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I really don't see how any of that works. Or how GT Goku is bullshit but this is all perfectly fine.
I really don't see the problem. We just see Gotenks making a stupid decision, and this isn't the first time he does that. He did exactly the same thing in the past. Why change Gohan's form in our heads so that Gotenks won't be stupid?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:59 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I really don't see how any of that works. Or how GT Goku is bullshit but this is all perfectly fine.
I really don't see the problem. We just see Gotenks making a stupid decision, and this isn't the first time he does that. He did exactly the same thing in the past. Why change Gohan's form in our heads so that Gotenks won't be stupid?
Because Gotenks knows Gohan's power. Did he have a brain fart or something. It would also explain away the promotional material as mistakes as of which they were doingthe original intent so they don't have to fix the box art and all the SSJ Gohan they already showed. I don't see Vegeta getting special treatment either or doing better than everyone else. Birus was more impressed with Vegeta than Gohan even though without SSJ God Vegeta would be nothing.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:14 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Because Gotenks knows Gohan's power. Did he have a brain fart or something.
Explain me how Gotenks thought that he could beat Innocent Boo in base, and after his training, how he thought that he could beat Evil Boo in base, and later in Super Saiyan, while Evil Boo was actually on his SS3 level. Don't forget that he can sense ki. How are these 3 examples different than what we see in BoG?

dbzfan7 wrote:I don't see Vegeta getting special treatment either or doing better than everyone else.
So, you believe that SS2 Vegeta before his rage boost is stronger than SS3 Goku? Because if that's so, let's just agree that we disagree. I won't debate about that one.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:24 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Because Gotenks knows Gohan's power. Did he have a brain fart or something.
Explain me how Gotenks thought that he could beat Innocent Boo in base, and after his training, how he thought that he could beat Evil Boo in base, and later in Super Saiyan, while Evil Boo was actually on his SS3 level. Don't forget that he can sense ki. How are these 3 examples different than what we see in BoG?
Boo's ki has always been weird and misleading. Goku thought he could manage Pure Boo and he couldn't even though he can sense ki, Vegeta though so too. Piccolo even thought he might stand a chance and he can sense both of their ki. So Piccolo must be really stupid too.

dbzfan7 wrote:I don't see Vegeta getting special treatment either or doing better than everyone else.
So, you believe that SS2 Vegeta before his rage boost is stronger than SS3 Goku? Because if that's so, let's just agree that we disagree. I won't debate about that one.[/quote]

Vegeta does do better than Gohan and leaves a better impression on Birus than Gohan. Birus didn't think Gohan was anything special while Vegeta was.

I'm tired of debating with the guy who accepts this, but GT Goku is what's out of whack and can be ignored when it's stated his strength.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:25 pm

What does this has to do with SSJ GOD?
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:26 pm

Personally, I don't think there's a multiplier for SSJ God. I think it just dumps a ton of god ki onto whoever performs the ritual.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:28 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Boo's ki has always been weird and misleading. Goku thought he could manage Pure Boo and he couldn't even though he can sense ki, Vegeta though so too. Piccolo even thought he might stand a chance and he can sense both of their ki. So Piccolo must be really stupid too.
Gotenks' ki is not misleading though, and yes, it was one of Piccolo's brief stupid moments.
dbzfan7 wrote:Vegeta does do better than Gohan and leaves a better impression on Birus than Gohan. Birus didn't think Gohan was anything special while Vegeta was.
Vegeta also does better than Goku, is he stronger than Goku? I'm talking about before the rage boost.
dbzfan7 wrote:I'm tired of debating with the guy who accepts this, but GT Goku is what's out of whack and can be ignored when it's stated his strength.
You don't need that attitude. Yes, the statement about Goku's strength can be ignored because it is a plot-hole, while Gotenks acting stupid because of his overconfidence is in-character for him.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:32 pm

Vegeta also does better than Goku, is he stronger than Goku? I'm talking about before the rage boost.

Okay I'm just going to end this like this. Birsu just like Cell can chose how good can he do in a fight. He can hold back energy to match his adversary or allow himself to get hit. With Goku being all hyped up he didn't hold back as much as he did with Vegeta
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:35 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Okay I'm just going to end this like this. Birsu just like Cell can chose how good can he do in a fight. He can hold back energy to match his adversary or allow himself to get hit. With Goku being all hyped up he didn't hold back as much as he did with Vegeta
That's why I've been saying that Beers allowed Vegeta do him what he did, but didn't allow Goku, Gohan, and Gotenks. Heck, he even said that he only used 70% of his power in his final battle with Goku, so obviously, Beers can change his battle power.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:44 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Gotenks' ki is not misleading though, and yes, it was one of Piccolo's brief stupid moments.
Exactly why it doesn't make sense. Piccolo the smartet character should easily be able to tell the difference and yet somehow can't. Goku and vegeta thought they could both handle Pure Boo and they were wrong.
Vegeta also does better than Goku, is he stronger than Goku? I'm talking about before the rage boost.
By movie logic yes and no. Yes because movie shows he did better, no as he ws stated stronger than Goku post boost.
You don't need that attitude. Yes, the statement about Goku's strength can be ignored because it is a plot-hole, while Gotenks acting stupid because of his overconfidence is in-character for him.
Vegeta leaves more of an impact on Birus than Gohan does. That alone is enough for me to believe Vegeta was probably stronger even if it contradicts the BOG listings. Goku is also stated of having immeasurable latent power which Gohan has always had more of but for some reason now Goku has more then him. Look at the film without previous knowledge of other dbz power levels. You would clearly think Vegeta was stronger than Gohan.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:55 pm

Let's see:
Goku - fights Beers twice, Beers lets him go all out in both their fights, yet he is stronger in the end. Conclusion: A weakling, but still, an an amazing fighter that could cause problems in the future.
Vegeta - fights Beers, who let's goes all out, yet is still far behind Beers. Conclusion: While he is a weakling as well, he is also an amazing fighter, who could also cause problems in the future.
Gohan - Tries to to stop Beers from hurting Boo, Beers knocks him out immediately without managing to do anything. Conclusion: Nothing special, another weakling...
Goten & Trunks/Gotenks - The kids merge & go Super Saiyans, but get immediately beaten. Conclusion: Cool technique, he has some skill! But still a weakling.

dbzfan7 wrote:Exactly why it doesn't make sense. Piccolo the smartet character should easily be able to tell the difference and yet somehow can't. Goku and vegeta thought they could both handle Pure Boo and they were wrong.
Piccolo made the mistake for 2 seconds. Gotenks thought that he was stronger than SS3 Goku in base when he was formed, and stronger than his pre-RoSaT SS form in base after his training. How is that not stupid or different from what we saw in BoG?
dbzfan7 wrote:Goku is also stated of having immeasurable latent power which Gohan has always had more of but for some reason now Goku has more then him
I think that Beers is talking about Goku & Vegeta would cause them trouble as Super Saiyan Gods.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Let's see:
Goku - fights Beers twice, Beers lets him go all out in both their fights, yet he is stronger in the end. Conclusion: A weakling, but still, an an amazing fighter that could cause problems in the future.
Vegeta - fights Beers, who let's goes all out, yet is still far behind Beers. Conclusion: While he is a weakling as well, he is also an amazing fighter, who could also cause problems in the future.
Gohan - Tries to to stop Beers from hurting Boo, Beers knocks him out immediately without managing to do anything. Conclusion: Nothing special, another weakling...
Goten & Trunks/Gotenks - The kids merge & go Super Saiyans, but get immediately beaten. Conclusion: Cool technique, he has some skill! But still a weakling.
Birus says Goku isn't full of hot air and beats him. He complements Goku for not being so weak.

Birus allows Vegeta to pound on him because he thought the burst in power could be SSJ God but is still impressed eitherway.

Birus is impressed with Gotenks fighting sense

Birus Is not impressed in the slightest with Gohan. He considers only Goku and Vegeta. Nobody else is or would be worth his time. ergo Gohan left no impression at all.

Piccolo made the mistake for 2 seconds. Gotenks thought that he was stronger than SS3 Goku in base when he was formed, and stronger than his pre-RoSaT SS form in base after his training. How is that not stupid or different from what we saw in BoG?

Gotenks definitely powered up. It makes no sense how in universe Piccolo can't stop Gotenks in base from flying off if Gotenks wasn't faster. Goku and Vegeta underestimated Pure Boo as well so I don't see any difference for Piccolo or Gotenks. Depending on how you do levels it's open for Gotenks to be that strong. Gotenks knows Gohan and yet won't go SSJ3 at all. Gohan is shown in promotion fighting as an SSJ in that scene. Which is most likely why theyd idn't change anything for Gotenks as adding SSJ3 hair would be difficult Most likely because the animators are to lazy to animate all that hair for Gotenks.
I think that Beers is talking about Goku & Vegeta would cause them trouble as Super Saiyan Gods.
Never says only because of SSJ God. He also doesn't think the same for anyone else who got SSJ God. If he thought of Vegeta as well he probably thought Gohan would be no good as an SSJ God.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by Axiom » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:19 pm

Gohan and Gotenks are just fodder - they are there just to show how strong an opponent is, just for Goku to beat them up. Krillin and Piccolo are too weak at this point for them to be any accurate gauge for a strong opponent.
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Re: Why is SSJ God so powerful?

Post by dbzfan7 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:21 pm

Axiom wrote:Gohan and Gotenks are just fodder - they are there just to show how strong an opponent is, just for Goku to beat them up. Krillin and Piccolo are too weak at this point for them to be any accurate gauge for a strong opponent.
It's pretty much how they do it for all movies. Everyone gets taken out by the big bad to show how much of a threat he is. Goku this time powers up for the final fight with SSJ God and loses in the end.
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