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Arale is dumb and I hope 18 wins.
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Gag logic tells me Arale and Z are going to win. Normally I'd call bullshit, but you know... gag logic.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Iv having trouble telling if thats Kid Gotenks or Teen Gotenks.
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Looks like Buu arc Gotenks.
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Assuming his SSJ works just the way SSJ in the saiyans work, assuming that he didn't go SSJ just to show that he could also go SSJ, assuming that he was giving it all in his base, etc.dbzfan7 wrote:
Since they both had to go SSJ, it's a pretty good indicator that SSJ Gotenks is still more than enough to win. I haven't seen their fight in a while, but unless Z completely dominated Goku to the point it was effortless, then he isn't beating Gotenks unless he defuses. From what I saw they were pretty even. A slight advantage over base Goku with a SSJ multiplier on top of that is nothing to Gotenks.
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These next matches pretty much seem like joke battles. I'm still looking forward to seeing Gotenks vs Z though.
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So he went SSJ just cause, you believe Toriyama decided Z for some reason gets a different boost? Yeah I don't think so. Goku powered up so Z did as well. He ain't beating SSJ Gotenks and would be decimated by SSJ3 Gotenks.rereboy wrote:Assuming his SSJ works just the way SSJ in the saiyans work, assuming that he didn't go SSJ just to show that he could also go SSJ, assuming that he was giving it all in his base, etc.dbzfan7 wrote:
Since they both had to go SSJ, it's a pretty good indicator that SSJ Gotenks is still more than enough to win. I haven't seen their fight in a while, but unless Z completely dominated Goku to the point it was effortless, then he isn't beating Gotenks unless he defuses. From what I saw they were pretty even. A slight advantage over base Goku with a SSJ multiplier on top of that is nothing to Gotenks.
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I think you missed my previous post:dbzfan7 wrote:So he went SSJ just cause, you believe Toriyama decided Z for some reason gets a different boost? Yeah I don't think so. Goku powered up so Z did as well. He ain't beating SSJ Gotenks and would be decimated by SSJ3 Gotenks.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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[/quote]DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I think you missed my previous post:dbzfan7 wrote:So he went SSJ just cause, you believe Toriyama decided Z for some reason gets a different boost? Yeah I don't think so. Goku powered up so Z did as well. He ain't beating SSJ Gotenks and would be decimated by SSJ3 Gotenks.
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Looking at the full fight on another site my point stands. Z has nothing on Gotenks.
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Fixed it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I'm sorry but that doesn't really give me any indicator of how Z can beat Gotenks. Z would have to be SSJ3 Goku level to match SSJ Gotenks and even beyond that beat SSJ3 Gotenks.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Fixed it.
If Boo actually did fight Z like he was supposed to I'm sure he would have pounded Z into the ground.
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I'm not saying that Z can beat Gotenks, it's just the fact that you are talking like Z's fight with Goku was a serious fight.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well of course it wasn't entirely serious. But even gag characters have feats. Arale has the highest strength feats ever seen. Z doesn't really have as much going for him when compared to Gotenks.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'm not saying that Z can beat Gotenks, it's just the fact that you are talking like Z's fight with Goku was a serious fight.
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He shouldn't even have SSJ. The whole reason why he has SSJ is a gag. He saw a saiyan do it and decided to do it and did it. So, if you really want to force some logic into it, then you have to consider that he is not a saiyan, nor does he have any saiyan blood. That means that how he is able to pull off a SSJ-like transformation is unknown and can't be explained. Yet, you are very sure that it works just like the real SSJ, even though there's no indicator to point us in that direction other than our guess...dbzfan7 wrote:
So he went SSJ just cause, you believe Toriyama decided Z for some reason gets a different boost? Yeah I don't think so. Goku powered up so Z did as well. He ain't beating SSJ Gotenks and would be decimated by SSJ3 Gotenks.
It wasn't even slightly serious.dbzfan7 wrote:
Well of course it wasn't entirely serious.
It doesn't really give any indicator either way. That's the whole point...dbzfan7 wrote:I'm sorry but that doesn't really give me any indicator of how Z can beat Gotenks.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Fixed it.
Besides, even if we were to assume that it has some indicator, Z was fighting a Goku that had already been in training for god knows how long with Uub. We don't even know how strong Goku was at the end of the manga, 7 years after the Buu saga, and this is even later than that. We have no idea how this Goku compares to an hypothetical adult Gotenks, let alone Z...
Even Gotenks power would vary immensely depending on how much Trunks and Goten slacked off. DBM's take on this is that Gotenks still became stronger than he was due to his adult body, even without training, but not even DBM clarifies on how much stronger they believe he became.
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Going by the title, it's pretty obvious who's going to come on top in both Gotenks vs. Neko Majin Z and #18 vs. Arale, respectively. Even without gag-logic, Z vs. Gotenks is a decent enough match-up as long as Gotenks doesn't go SSJ3. Arale has been capable of feats far greater than what #18 has ever displayed in canon, and despite this case being one of gag manga logic, this is exactly what this chapter should be about. I just don't see #18 splitting the Earth in half with a single punch.
I'm curious about Bra Sue vs. Eleim, though... It should be obvious, but Salagir might just surprise us. For all I know, the reason she seemed a bit bitchier than usual in my opinion when Vegetto came back might have a loss to take credit from. Probably reading too much into what will probably be an easy victory.
I'm curious about Bra Sue vs. Eleim, though... It should be obvious, but Salagir might just surprise us. For all I know, the reason she seemed a bit bitchier than usual in my opinion when Vegetto came back might have a loss to take credit from. Probably reading too much into what will probably be an easy victory.
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Seriously, how did Neko Z not get animated into a special or something?
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Because Toriyama is gonna think "Hey SSJ for Z should be totally different than Goku's for some reason because fuck yeah I'm high today"rereboy wrote:
He shouldn't even have SSJ. The whole reason why he has SSJ is a gag. He saw a saiyan do it and decided to do it and did it. So, if you really want to force some logic into it, then you have to consider that he is not a saiyan, nor does he have any saiyan blood. That means that how he is able to pull off a SSJ-like transformation is unknown and can't be explained. Yet, you are very sure that it works just like the real SSJ, even though there's no indicator to point us in that direction other than our guess
We see them trade blows, that all I need to know. Oob looks the exact same as he did at the EOZ. Goku was already at a level where there wasn't really anything higher, ergo he isn't going to be massively stronger.rereboy wrote:It doesn't really give any indicator either way. That's the whole point...
Besides, even if we were to assume that it has some indicator, Z was fighting a Goku that had already been in training for god knows how long with Uub. We don't even know how strong Goku was at the end of the manga, 7 years after the Buu saga, and this is even later than that. We have no idea how this Goku compares to an hypothetical adult Gotenks, let alone Z...
Even Gotenks power would vary immensely depending on how much Trunks and Goten slacked off. DBM's take on this is that Gotenks still became stronger than he was due to his adult body, even without training, but not even DBM clarifies on how much stronger they believe he became.
All I have been convinced is unless Z pulls out SSJ4 or outlasts Gotenks he isn't winning. The second option is a lot more plausible.
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@dbzfan7, we all forgot something very important: This Z is stronger than Z in Neko Majin, since it is set 10 years later, and he was training during all these years. So, we can't predict how strong he is.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.