Battle of Gods canon?

[dbzfan7]

I don't think you can disregard anything in the manga. That's just denial. The star wars prequels are canon whether people like it or not.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I borderline dislike the Buu arc, yet I acknowledge it's place in the continuity.

Thats because you have too... its part of the manga.

I actually don't. There's no defined canon telling me I have to accept everything.

[TheGmGoken]

I borderline dislike the Buu arc, yet I acknowledge it's place in the continuity.

Thats because you have too... its part of the manga.

I actually don't. There's no defined canon telling me I have to accept everything.

As DBZFan said:

I don't think you can disregard anything in the manga. That's just denial. The star wars prequels are canon whether people like it or not.

And as Goku said:

When it comes to Dragon Ball and Canon the only things that are "Subjective" are the things that didn't happen in the Manga be it movies, specials, games or anime continuations.

The manga is the only one true canon, everything else is subjective.

I mean I understand the whole no define canon. But the manga should be an exception. Only because that's the ORIGINAL work and without it. There would be no anime, movies, nor specials. So the manga is the exception to the whole no define canon.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If there's no canon, the manga doesn't have one. The Buu arc can potentially be disregarded by select individuals who prefer it end at the Cell or Freeza arc. Remember, the definition of canon is the accepted works of the author. Some people may only accept up to a certain point in the manga.

[TheGmGoken]

If there's no canon, the manga doesn't have one. The Buu arc can potentially be disregarded by select individuals who prefer it end at the Cell or Freeza arc. Remember, the definition of canon is the accepted works of the author. Some people may only accept up to a certain point in the manga.

Did I ever say the manga had a canon? I said the manga is the exception of the rule of no define canon. Meaning out of everything DB has. The manga is by far the ONLY one that is not subjected. Yes you an choose where you want to end it or such. I didn't say that. I said the manga should't follow the whole no canon rule as it's the original work and without it. It'll be nothing else. Saying the manga isn't canon is like removing 10+ years of writing for the ORIGINAL source. If you remove that. What you got? No anime, no specials, and no Movies. So yes the manga is the exception. The specials and BOG are subjected.

ALSO there is more than one definition of canon.

[TheMightyOzaru]

The manga is not an exception =/.

[TheGmGoken]

The manga is not an exception =/.

Yes it is. It's the original source. Do we need an author to state the obvious for every single thing? Do we need EVERY author/writer to state what's canon or not? That would be a clutter fest. Saying the manga(The original source) isn't canon is just plain ignorant. We don't NEED Akira Toriyama to state everything. Here how it goes

The Manga
An animation that's an adaptation of the manga.
Movies based off of Manga fights(Bojack being Cell ect)
Re write endings for the manga
Battle of Gods made as if it was apart of the manga serialization
Specials that put characters in the manga(Bardock and Tarble. Though Tarble's manga special wasn't written by Toriyama)


You see how every thing had the word MANGA in there? Hence why it's called the ORIGINAL STORY/COMIC by AKira Toriyama in the credits. The manga is an exception to the rule. Anything below the manga that I listed(Not saying I'm right and the order is just random) is subjected(Except Bardock the CHARACTER). Why do we need Mr.AT to sort out everything DB made over the years. He wrote the story how he wanted and that's that. The anime made some movies, specials, and changes that are up to the fans if they accept it or not.

[TheMightyOzaru]

OK... This doesn't prevent people from accepting events of the manga up to a certain point... The definition of canon is the accepted works of the author. The manga is no exception to this.

[Rocketman]

The only battle of gods I will accept is Obelisk the Tormentor punching Godku's face through the back of his head.

[goku the krump dancer]

Not liking something beyond a certain point in a story is fine but to completely disregard it as if it never happened is stupid when its part of the original work.

Thats like me saying "Oh I only like Naruto up until Gaara's defeat and Sarutobi's death, everything else after that isn't canon because I don't like it but the Pain arc is cool so thats canon too"

or

"I only like YuYu Hakusho up until the battle with The Four Saint Beasts, everything else after that isn't canon because i don't like it but the Sensui arc is pretty cool so thats canon too"

See how silly that sounds? You can't have one without the other because all of those events lead into each other.

You can't have the Boo arc without the Cell arc or Cell arc with out the Freeza arc or the Freeza arc with out the Saiyan arc or the Saiyan without Goku crashing on Earth at all.

And all of those things happen IN THE MANGA. Its unfair to try and debate with people about a subject matter pertaining to an "in-universe" topic of any series if you disregard something as big as a major arc thats part the original work.

Why is it unfair? Because then people would have to bend to your own personal rules that you made up because you didn't like what the author did in the original run of any series.

Thats because you have too... its part of the manga.

In the manga or not, no one really has to acknowledge anything.

You'd be surprised at the number of people I used to know who didn't consider anything after Freeza part of Dragon Ball's story. Not sure if they have changed their tune the the past couple of years though, been out of touch.

You can't take people like that seriously because

1. They were probably casual fans who "grew out of" the series around The begining of the android arc because they just weren't that into the series to begin with and/or the Garlic Jr arc probably bored them.. on top of the Reruns upon reruns of old episodes.

2. Nothing in the story even hints that the battle on Namek was the end of the series.. The chapter in the manga that Goku beats Freeza in ends abruptly when the very next chapter confirms that he's alive.

[TheGmGoken]

OK... This doesn't prevent people from accepting events of the manga up to a certain point... The definition of canon is the accepted works of the author. The manga is no exception to this.

How many times I have to say this(Not to sound rude). There is more than ONE definition of canon. The one you're using is more or less fan canon. Most definitions don't have fan canon apart of the word just canon. But just so you know there is more than 1 canon definition.

2. Nothing in the story even hints that the battle on Namek was the end of the series.. The chapter in the manga that Goku beats Freeza in ends abruptly when the very next chapter confirms that he's alive.

Exactly is you disregard it even if you don't like that's dumb IMO. So I guess I can disregard the whole Goku vs Freeza fight and say Freeza > Goku because I only liked the part where Freeza beats the shit out of Goku. That sounds silly doesn't it?

[Zephyr]

I think people are misunderstanding what a lack of an official Dragon Ball canon means.

[TheGmGoken]

I think people are misunderstanding what a lack of an official Dragon Ball canon means.

Care to say your cup of tea?

[The Monkey King]

The only battle of gods I will accept is Obelisk the Tormentor punching Godku's face through the back of his head.

Godku > SSJ Vegito

[Zephyr]

I think people are misunderstanding what a lack of an official Dragon Ball canon means.

Care to say your cup of tea?

What I mean is, people seem to be thinking they can just dismiss parts of the serialized manga as somehow being any less part of the official continuity than any other part just because "lolnocanon". I can't even begin to wrap my head around the logic behind that.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I think it's stupid that people will disregard the manga up to a certain point, but they can if they so choose. Oh care to elaborate on canon's multiple definitions? If none of the author's work has been officially accepted, people can choose what they want to accept.

[Zephyr]

If none of the author's work has been officially accepted, people can choose what they want to accept.

In what capacity is the manga "not officially accepted"?

[dbzfan7]

Exactly is you disregard it even if you don't like that's dumb IMO. So I guess I can disregard the whole Goku vs Freeza fight and say Freeza > Goku because I only liked the part where Freeza beats the shit out of Goku. That sounds silly doesn't it?

I didn't like the way Goku got his role back so randomly and how Gohan's build up turned to shit so everything after Gohan vs Super Boo never happened.

[TheGmGoken]

If none of the author's work has been officially accepted, people can choose what they want to accept.

In what capacity is the manga "not officially accepted"?

According to him. People wanted Goku to stay dead after Freeza arc so that's their ending and the other arc did not happen to them. Even though the VERY next chapter states he;s alive. Fan canon? yes. Canon? yes to 3 definitions but no to others.

I didn't like how Super Boo wasn't killed in his fight with Gohan so everything else afterwards never happened.

I didn't like Raditz so I remove him from canon. So how did Goku die? Can someone tell me?

[dbzfan7]

I didn't like Raditz so I remove him from canon. So how did Goku die? Can someone tell me?

I didn't like any of the cyborgs besides Cell so they never happened.