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How is it obvious Freeza is a female character?
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Purple lipsABED wrote:How is it obvious Freeza is a female character?
Grand Mother voice
Nails
His dialog.
I'm shocked they didn't censor his chest because of this,
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The other guy answered most of the question quite well, but I remember there being a dialogue box near the end of the game the Ghaleon had liked Luna, forgetting where as it has been ages since played the game. But I remember thinking it grounded the character's actions in the game and made him a more human character.Looneygamemaster wrote:A good example in a medium I am more familiar with is the game Lunar 2 where the translators added in the idea that there was an unrequited love between two characters, where there was no such reference in the original work.
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Nakao didn't give Freeza a grandmother voice, and his dialog wasn't gender specific. He was overly sexualized and had a grandma voice in the dub, but that wasn't what the previous post said.TheGmGoken wrote:Purple lipsABED wrote:How is it obvious Freeza is a female character?
Grand Mother voice
Nails
His dialog.
I'm shocked they didn't censor his chest because of this,
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Opps thinking of the wrong voice actor. Thinking of Young. Forgot what you was talking aboutABED wrote:Nakao didn't give Freeza a grandmother voice, and his dialog wasn't gender specific. He was overly sexualized and had a grandma voice in the dub, but that wasn't what the previous post said.TheGmGoken wrote:Purple lipsABED wrote:How is it obvious Freeza is a female character?
Grand Mother voice
Nails
His dialog.
I'm shocked they didn't censor his chest because of this,
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I thought Frieza was a girl the first time I saw a picture of him. I didn't realize it was a dude until they referred to him as "he"ABED wrote:How is it obvious Freeza is a female character?
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Freeza is clearly kind of fem looking.
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Not to mention Nakao's Freeza laugh is one you often hear in women who are being a bit smug or arrogant in anime. I know it's supposed to be an aristocratic thing, but in anime I've never heard another male laugh like that. Kind of a haughty laugh.
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To clarify, I'm didn't ask why you thought Freeza was a woman, I probably had the same reaction (I can't remember what I first thought, it was 16 years ago). I was asking in reference to someone saying Freeza was obviously meant to be a woman but was changed because of something like toy sales.
I never got the sense that it was a female laugh. Nakao made Freeza a bit effeminate, but that doesn't scream female laugh. He sounds more hoity toity than female.
I never got the sense that it was a female laugh. Nakao made Freeza a bit effeminate, but that doesn't scream female laugh. He sounds more hoity toity than female.
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I don't know, Freeza is pretty gender neutral if you look at a picture of him IMO:
I only thought Freeza was a girl at first because of his voice. When I first heard the Japanese voice I was like WTF, that's a contrast .
I only thought Freeza was a girl at first because of his voice. When I first heard the Japanese voice I was like WTF, that's a contrast .
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I think you should had posted a pic of his first form. That's the one(As far as I know) that most people thought was a femaleTheMightyOzaru wrote:I don't know, Freeza is pretty gender neutral if you look at a picture of him IMO:
I only thought Freeza was a girl at first because of his voice. When I first heard the Japanese voice I was like WTF, that's a contrast .
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So adaptors should be given carte blanche so they can feel like artists?Is this why we continually get uninspired "scene-by-scene copy and paste" works like DBZ?
Adaptations are works of art in and of themselves, and I believe that adaptors have every right to make changes they feel will support their new versions. Of course, the audience has the right to judge the changes they make, but this belief that they can't make any changes is artistically stifling.
DBZ wasn't cut and paste, it was the manga in motion with great voices and score. That's art just as much as if they had done what you seem to imply.
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I still get a gender neutral vibe from this:
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Not going to lie. Looks kinda like a feminine to me. Just a mad one.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I still get a gender neutral vibe from this:
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Yeah looks like my missus when I wind her up! Haha! Definitely more feminine at the beginning and then the voice carries that vibe through to the final transformation..TheGmGoken wrote:Not going to lie. Looks kinda like a feminine to me. Just a mad one.TheMightyOzaru wrote:I still get a gender neutral vibe from this:
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The first and final forms of Freeza always seemed rather effeminate to me. The dark lips resembling lipstick, dark fingernails/toenails resembling nail polish, etc. And especially with Linda Young's voice for the character, I did think Freeza was a female for some time. Which I actually thought it was cool, because it used to be so rare to see major female villains (though these days you've got pretty major ones like Azula, Dante, Lust, etc.).
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I never thought Frieza as female due to folks using male pronouns, and of course, his underlings addressing him as "Master Frieza" or "Lord Frieza". Outside the Bleach dub, you don't really hear any underlings call a woman "Master". It's always "Mistress".
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See, at five years old, I didn't even notice them call him that, nor did I know the difference.Super Sonic wrote:I never thought Freeza as female due to folks using male pronouns, and of course, his underlings addressing him as "Master Freeza" or "Lord Freeza". Outside the Bleach dub, you don't really hear any underlings call a woman "Master". It's always "Mistress".
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Well, as a kid I admit to being pretty confused by Freeza's gender, but that's mostly because I was watching the dub...which presented the ever-confusing contrast of constant referrals to Freeza as "him" and "he," against a very obviously female-sounding voice actor.
However, between Nakao's voice and the appearance of Freeza's final form, I definitely visualized Freeza to be a male character. Apparently the WB thought so too, as they confused a....."notch".......with genitalia.
However, between Nakao's voice and the appearance of Freeza's final form, I definitely visualized Freeza to be a male character. Apparently the WB thought so too, as they confused a....."notch".......with genitalia.
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Please tell me the Japanese didn't actually do that...Megatron does not shriek like a girl when surprised/interrupted or insist to be called "Mega-chan".