The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:26 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Unless there's a very, very, very good reason to revive a story that's already ended, it's usually better to let something die gracefully than to try to reanimate its corpse.
Is more money good enough for you? :P
Hellspawn28 wrote:Kai was nothing new, so it doesn't count.
The content is mostly the same from DBZ, but it's still an entirely different product, so it counts.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Saiyatonian » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:30 pm

Fans liked it? Every time I'm on here, there's people calling it shit.
Is it possible to watch DBZ with epilepsy?

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by dario03 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:11 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Actually if we had an OVA arc thing like Hellsing Ultimate then maybe I would be okay with that. Keep the episode count short though.
That's exactly what I was going to post :lol: But I would hope they release the episodes a bit quicker and on a regular schedule. And plan most of it out in advance.

But I would actually be ok with a new series as well.

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:44 pm

If we're not getting a new series, Battle of Gods is nothing more than TOEI trolling us.

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:50 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Gaffer Tape wrote:Unless there's a very, very, very good reason to revive a story that's already ended, it's usually better to let something die gracefully than to try to reanimate its corpse.
Is more money good enough for you? :P
As you might have already guessed, I would say that's, by far, the worst motivation to revive any property. I'm not saying I begrudge Toriyama for basically admitting that's why he wrote Dragon Ball in the first place. I have no pretensions of the series, and I'm not saying money is not a strong motivation for an artist to create. But had there not been anything good there, DB would have fallen on its face, and no one would give a crap about it now, and that would be justly deserved. But then 20 years down the road, when some executive sees that, "Oh, this could make a lot of money. Let's make a new movie/video game/series" without any motivation beyond that, they're basically milking the zombified teats of something that's already dead and buried, and they're usually doing the property and the fans a disservice, even to those unwitting fans who are begging for them to hook up the milking machine.
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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by soulnova » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:58 pm

I hate to bring this up but Nozawa is actually pretty old. She wont be able to make the voice of Goku forever and I believe they must move on beyond the Son boys too. What is going to happen the voices of Gohan, Goku, and Goten the day she dies? I really doubt they will replace her... even if they found someone who can make an identical voice, I believe the Japanese fanbase won't accept it out of respect.

If they do anything.... is has to be without the three of them in the long run. DBZ finished with the note of passing down the torch, I agree with that. It should focus either on an entirely new set of characters or on Uub, Pan and Bra.
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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:12 pm

What about a origin story for the next movie or series? I would like to see more behind the history of the dragon balls. I believe that the Namekians are not the true creators of the dragon balls.
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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by PrinceVegetto » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:31 pm

That'd be cool. But what if Toei said GT was an alternate storyline, and a new series was created following the events after the 14th movie.

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by coola » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:05 pm

Personally, i would love to see a new DB animation, but, with new company, and voice actors, I'm sorry if i sound like a no respect jerk, but, these people got old, especially Ryo Horikawa, he sound horrible. :(
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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Blade » Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:09 pm

On the back of Battle of Gods there wont be another Dragonball series because:

1) Toriyama will almost certainly not be involved, and commissioning extensive material without the involvement of original author is against Toei's current strategy.
2) GT wasn't successful and they are likely to be wary given Kai's lack of great success.
3) They're already producing two shows, One Piece and Toriko, with an animation department which is far less well-funded than it used to be. Their prime television slot for anime is currently filled by the aforementioned two, and that's unlikely to change any time soon.

Material that doesn't involve the original author in an anime (filler) is as unpopular in Japan as it overseas, and right now Toei completely understands that. Instead of filler in One Piece they drag out the pacing as to not overlap with the manga, and for their last few theatrical releases (Battle of Gods, Film Z, Strong World) they have reaped the (financial) rewards of marketing the involvement of the original author.

That said, it would be completely against their current strategy to make a new Dragonball series without Toriyama's involvement - and as history tells them with GT, their previous attempt to prolong the franchise without his hand was not as popular as they hoped it would be. Their second, and more recent lesson, comes in the form of Kai - in that rehashing the same old product, despite being closer to the original author's work, does not make for ratings success.

More movies? Sure - the messages from all parties involved and the box office returns makes that seem more of an inevitability than possibility - but a new series? Not a chance - not unless Toriyama decides to extend the manga, which is about as likely to happen as all of the Goldfish in the world rising up and eradicating humanity.
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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Eddie » Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:07 pm

soulnova wrote:I hate to bring this up but Nozawa is actually pretty old. She wont be able to make the voice of Goku forever and I believe they must move on beyond the Son boys too. What is going to happen the voices of Gohan, Goku, and Goten the day she dies? I really doubt they will replace her... even if they found someone who can make an identical voice, I believe the Japanese fanbase won't accept it out of respect.

If they do anything.... is has to be without the three of them in the long run. DBZ finished with the note of passing down the torch, I agree with that. It should focus either on an entirely new set of characters or on Uub, Pan and Bra.
A great deal of iconic characters get recast all the time. Son Goku will be no different.

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Karrit » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:59 pm

soulnova wrote:I hate to bring this up but Nozawa is actually pretty old. She wont be able to make the voice of Goku forever and I believe they must move on beyond the Son boys too. What is going to happen the voices of Gohan, Goku, and Goten the day she dies? I really doubt they will replace her... even if they found someone who can make an identical voice, I believe the Japanese fanbase won't accept it out of respect.

If they do anything.... is has to be without the three of them in the long run. DBZ finished with the note of passing down the torch, I agree with that. It should focus either on an entirely new set of characters or on Uub, Pan and Bra.
The Japanese fans accepted Kurita Kanichi as Lupin when Yamada-san died and he was iconic in that role. To the Japanese fans, Yamada was Lupin. The same can happen for a replacement with Nozawa if Toei takes the same care TMS has with selecting new seiyuu to replace those that have retired.

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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:22 pm

The only new media I'd be interested in would be a new live-action movie in a few years when the public has largely forgotten about Evolution. We don't need to expand on the old series (GT did that, BoG did that etc.); what we need is to take the old series and make it into something new and refreshing but still Dragon Ball, and live action would be the perfect vehicle for that.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:56 pm

DBE bombed, I don't think anyone really saw it expect for the fans that wanted to see it. The movie only made $9,362,785 at box office. I think it's safe to say that the public has forgotten about it or never saw it.
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Re: The Rebirth Of DBZ: A New Series?

Post by MCDaveG » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:13 pm

Oh God, you are burrying the Nozawa Masako again. She is still alive!
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