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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Umm Goku's objectively a great character. I don't even know how you call yourself a Dragon Ball fan when you say Goku has a poor character .
What makes Goku a great character? Why am I or anyone else wrong if we feel that Goku isn't a great character? Why can someone not be a Dragon Ball fan if they don't like Goku? I don't like either Luke Skywalker in the Original Trilogy, or Anakin Skywalker in the Prequel Trilogy. Does that mean I'm not a Star Wars fan?
You can't say something is objectively great when a person's opinion of a character is entirely subjective.
As for the phrase "objectively good," that's becoming a major pet peeve of mine, seeing that phrase thrown around all the time by people who clearly don't know how to use it.
I'm not sure how "popular" he is, but Cell is probably my least favorite Dragon Ball "Big Bad." It's not that he's a bad villain, it's just that he starts out terrifying and unique (a horror-movie monster) but ends up devolving into...a Freeza clone.
Looneygamemaster wrote:I'm not sure how "popular" he is, but Cell is probably my least favorite Dragon Ball "Big Bad." It's not that he's a bad villain, it's just that he starts out terrifying and unique (a horror-movie monster) but ends up devolving into...a Freeza clone.
Well, to be fair, he does have Freeza's cells in him.
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AjayLikesGaming wrote:I find fan's obsession with Gohan in the Buu arc very strange. I guess I understand it, they're clinging onto the small things that make him near the level of 'cool' he was at the end of the Cell arc but I just don't see it.
Really. Most people hate Boo arc Gohan. I rarely see a fan obsession over Boo arc Gohan. Most people complain about Boo arc Gohan not being like SSJ2 Kid Gohan or F. Gohan. I like him as he actually has more of a personality then the other Gohan's and he has an actual life besides fighting.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Cell. Don't get me wrong, he's an interesting character up until he achieves perfection. However, he doesn't have much of a personality. He's pretty bland, aside from his concept.
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TheGmGoken wrote:I LOVE BARDOCK HOW DARE YOU. Just kidding. Bardoc does get praise a lot. But I do like him.
I said Bardock was cool. Just that people overly praise him as the pinnacle of badass when I really don't think he's that cool.
I'll say he got MASSIVE balls. I mean dude flew into space. Literally. He charged up and flew into space and fought fucking 5000+ men by himself. I see why people think he's Badass. I respect your opinion though.
Saiyans cannot into space.
That said, Bardock's lot were the equivalent of a Latin American death squad, and not a bunch of heroes that the fanbase proclaims them to be.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Umm Goku's objectively a great character. I don't even know how you call yourself a Dragon Ball fan when you say Goku has a poor character .
What makes Goku a great character? Why am I or anyone else wrong if we feel that Goku isn't a great character? Why can someone not be a Dragon Ball fan if they don't like Goku? I don't like either Luke Skywalker in the Original Trilogy, or Anakin Skywalker in the Prequel Trilogy. Does that mean I'm not a Star Wars fan?
You can't say something is objectively great when a person's opinion of a character is entirely subjective.
As for the phrase "objectively good," that's becoming a major pet peeve of mine, seeing that phrase thrown around all the time by people who clearly don't know how to use it.
I'm actually fine with a Dragonball fan not liking Goku. If you don't it doesn't make you less of a fan. I adore Goku and disagree about him being an asshole, but that's my opinion.
Anyway, for me, the most overrated character for me if I had to choose is Pan from GT. I don't know if she's even popular, but I dislike how GT portrayed her. Instead of following the usual nagging female formula, I think it would have been nice to see Pan more of a hardcore fighter without worrying about being too strongly for a guy (not that Pan was quite that bad). I loved her at the end of Z and it would have been great to see her as a little powerhouse that didn't get knocked out constantly.
The fact that Episode of Bardock exists just shows how overrated Bardock is.. I mean sure people can say the same thing about Broly and Cooler but eh idk I don't hate it but it wasn't needed.
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Broly is not really overrated, it just video game companies try to make people think he is badass (Like nowadays Square Enix with Lighting) same with Bardock, but in anime world, yes, that space fight scene was cool, even through stupid for Bardock, he was almost killed by Dodoria single mouth blast, yet he still believed he could take on Freeza alone, but really, made him the first Legendary Super Saiyan?
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TheMightyOzaru wrote:Umm Goku's objectively a great character. I don't even know how you call yourself a Dragon Ball fan when you say Goku has a poor character .
What makes Goku a great character? Why am I or anyone else wrong if we feel that Goku isn't a great character? Why can someone not be a Dragon Ball fan if they don't like Goku? I don't like either Luke Skywalker in the Original Trilogy, or Anakin Skywalker in the Prequel Trilogy. Does that mean I'm not a Star Wars fan?
You can't say something is objectively great when a person's opinion of a character is entirely subjective.
As for the phrase "objectively good," that's becoming a major pet peeve of mine, seeing that phrase thrown around all the time by people who clearly don't know how to use it.
Oh I don't know, it could be the fact that he's the main character throughout the entirety of Dragon Ball . He's objectively a great character because he's unique. A warrior baby who bumped his head and as a result became an innocent and ignorant child. His constant outburst and antics lead to many laughs and he's a great fighter who doesn't fight to defeat others but fights to defeat himself. BTW I asked how you can be a fan and dislike the main character, I didn't say you couldn't be a fan .
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The thing that I find the most overrated about the characters is simply the view that their personalities and development is deeper than is really is.
The closest to a "deep" character you could come in DBZ is probably Vegeta, and that man isn't that deep at all to begin with.
To the actual topic of discussion, although I love Future Trunks (as in I think he is cool), I find him often overrated.
I mean, the only good thing he actually did was to inform about the androids...and to allow Vegeta to find his soft side maybe. Other than that, he is pretty much a power-gauge character mostly.
Tenshinhan tends to be overrated too, having not accounted for much other than being cannon fodder since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, and also stalling opponents two times. Kuririn too has this role, and to add he also has one instance where he functions as a delivery boy. And his character is much easier to like, as he as a bit more grounded personality.
Karrit wrote:Anyway, for me, the most overrated character for me if I had to choose is Pan from GT. I don't know if she's even popular, but I dislike how GT portrayed her. Instead of following the usual nagging female formula, I think it would have been nice to see Pan more of a hardcore fighter without worrying about being too strongly for a guy (not that Pan was quite that bad). I loved her at the end of Z and it would have been great to see her as a little powerhouse that didn't get knocked out constantly.
GT Pan isn't really poppular at all. In fact she's arguably the most hated Dragon Ball character (along side with Giru). Can't blame them too much either, she's a whiny brat just like Bulma on Namek and nobody likes a whiner.
Anyways, I'd say Gohan. I don't see why fans are sore that he bombed against Majin Boo. He was a cocky douche who never learns. I mean, he repeated the exact same mistake that got his father killed against Cell and what's worse is that he has the audacity to just stand there smugly as Trunks and Goten fuse even though Piccolo warned that Majin Boo was up to something. He even failed to catch an earring (Super Saiyan Gohan can catch bullets but Mystic Jackass can't catch a stupid earring!!). Goku is right, the kid is a stupid jackass.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
He has no personality and he just rampages all over the place and has that annoying laugh (at least in the Funi dub), yet he's supposed to be some kind of a "legendary warrior". I think it just completely ruined the Super Saiyan concept.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Umm Goku's objectively a great character. I don't even know how you call yourself a Dragon Ball fan when you say Goku has a poor character .
Someone doesn't know what an opinion is.
Saiyans cannot into space.
What?
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AjayLikesGaming wrote:I find fan's obsession with Gohan in the Buu arc very strange. I guess I understand it, they're clinging onto the small things that make him near the level of 'cool' he was at the end of the Cell arc but I just don't see it.
Really. Most people hate Boo arc Gohan. I rarely see a fan obsession over Boo arc Gohan. Most people complain about Boo arc Gohan not being like SSJ2 Kid Gohan or F. Gohan. I like him as he actually has more of a personality then the other Gohan's and he has an actual life besides fighting.
Love how people just ignore what Gohan was in the arc. Remember the whole refusing to fight thing? I guess that was omitted by the fans. How about ALMOST refusing to do a Kamehameha against Cell. Least Teen Gohan had balls to fight even though he lost power.
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. He's objectively a great character because he's unique. A warrior baby who bumped his head and as a result became an innocent and ignorant child. His constant outburst and antics lead to many laughs and he's a great fighter who doesn't fight to defeat others but fights to defeat himself. BTW I asked how you can be a fan and dislike the main character, I didn't say you couldn't be a fan 
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