The 12 Universes Mentioned In BOG...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

How? DBZ Movie 2-12 makes it impossible to happen in a single timeline given that stuff happens in those movies that makes it impossible to happen. Like DBZ Movie 3, can't happen with everyone dead and the others on Namek.

I'm not saying that the movies can fit in the anime, I'm saying that the 16 movies + PtEt(S)S can fit in one timeline.

[dbzfan7]

No, there are not other planets Earth in the other 11 Universes.

Opinion, not fact.

Chozenshuu 4 states that the 12 Universe are not alternative universes, so no, it's a fact.

Really? Okay then.

Still wouldn't work as there are then more than 12 universes. 12 alternate universes is still more than 12 universes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

They are alternative worlds, not alternative universes. Or, if you want to call them universes, they are a different type of universes.

[dbzfan7]

They are alternative worlds, not alternative universes. Or, if you want to call them universes, they are a different type of universes.

They are alternative universes. Trunks maybe in a different timeline, but it's still has it's own universe.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

They are technically alternate universes because the other timelines contain alternative universes that generally do not interact with the main one the manga follows, but they aren't one of the "12 Universes".

Herms says that the Chozenshu bring up that the 12 Universes basically imply that there are 12 entirely different snow globe orb-thingies out there containing what we know as the existence of the Dragon World. Until we get more official info on the matter, this is how I see everything:

• There are 12 Universes, each consisting of a "cosmos orb".

• Each cosmos orb is unique to that specific universe. There can still be an "Earth" in each of the various orbs, but there are not alternate versions of the characters we know running around, though things may be similar to what we are familiar with. There can still be an afterlife overseen by gods (maybe still Kaioshin), dead judged for heaven or hell, various gods overseeing various planets, etc, or it maybe something else entirely, like the theory that the universes are the various other shonen series. So maybe there is an Earth, but instead of Goku, it houses Yusuke Urameshi and played through the events of Yu Yu Hakusho.

• All events related to Dragon Ball (DB, DBZ, DBGT, DB Online, etc) happen solely within the 7th Universe. All of these events do not happen within the same timeline though. Following off from DBO, at least the 7th Universe has a temporal storage containing all the various timelines that have been created via time travel, or whatever other various means.

• The alternate timelines are like the different frequencies of a radio, in my opinion. All of them exist within the 7th Universes's cosmos orb at the same time, just operating on different planes of existence that don't interact without outside influence.

[Zephyr]

I simply view the manga, BoG, anime filler, Movies 1-13, GT, and DBO as possible/alternate depictions of the aforementioned Seventh Universe.

[valfranx]

They are technically alternate universes because the other timelines contain alternative universes that generally do not interact with the main one the manga follows, but they aren't one of the "12 Universes".

Herms says that the Chozenshu bring up that the 12 Universes basically imply that there are 12 entirely different snow globe orb-thingies out there containing what we know as the existence of the Dragon World. Until we get more official info on the matter, this is how I see everything:

• There are 12 Universes, each consisting of a "cosmos orb".

• Each cosmos orb is unique to that specific universe. There can still be an "Earth" in each of the various orbs, but there are not alternate versions of the characters we know running around, though things may be similar to what we are familiar with. There can still be an afterlife overseen by gods (maybe still Kaioshin), dead judged for heaven or hell, various gods overseeing various planets, etc, or it maybe something else entirely, like the theory that the universes are the various other shonen series. So maybe there is an Earth, but instead of Goku, it houses Yusuke Urameshi and played through the events of Yu Yu Hakusho.

• All events related to Dragon Ball (DB, DBZ, DBGT, DB Online, etc) happen solely within the 7th Universe. All of these events do not happen within the same timeline though. Following off from DBO, at least the 7th Universe has a temporal storage containing all the various timelines that have been created via time travel, or whatever other various means.

• The alternate timelines are like the different frequencies of a radio, in my opinion. All of them exist within the 7th Universes's cosmos orb at the same time, just operating on different planes of existence that don't interact without outside influence.

dragon ball forever guide already clarified this issue, said the timelines alternative are dimensions within the universe 7 created as a result of the use of the time machine, there's nothing complicated about it. while the 11 universes are other spheres that are outside of the universe 7.

and like you says, the timelines alternate in dbo are doing the universe 7, enter in collapse, then the timelines are within the universe 7.

[goku the krump dancer]

I basically see it as one main universe now having 12 more added to it. Like TheDevilsCorpse said more snow globes but still part of the same continuity.

People are that we got alternate timelines already with Trunks and the whole android fiasco. Future Trunks came from an alternative universe/timeline, Cell came from an alternative universe/timeline.

We've seen two different types of Gohan and we've seen two different types of Trunks, so "alternate words wouldn't be/isn't anything new.

I think people get wrapped up in saying the "Alternate universes/timelines/worlds" because they dont consider GT canon to the main timeline so "to be nice" GT can still be technically canon just not part of the Manga's continuity.

[Hellspawn28]

How? DBZ Movie 2-12 makes it impossible to happen in a single timeline given that stuff happens in those movies that makes it impossible to happen. Like DBZ Movie 3, can't happen with everyone dead and the others on Namek.

I'm not saying that the movies can fit in the anime, I'm saying that the 16 movies + PtEt(S)S can fit in one timeline.

Fitting them into one timeline still won't work. If Movie 3 takes place after the fight with Vegeta then everyone would be dead and Goku would be travling to Namek. Movie 6 can't happen due to the fact that everyone on Earth is training for the arrival of the cyborgs. Movie 1-12 expect for Movie 9 have too many plot holes for them fit into one timeline. Fitting all of the DBZ movies into one timeline would be a total mess. It's like trying to fit every Kamen Rider show and movie into a single timeline. It would make your head hurt like hell.

[mAcChaos]

I figure each Universe is completely separate. All the timelines and everything we see, everything with Goku would just all be under Universe 7.

The other universes could just be places where life never formed, or things went completely different. Could be one where Naruto is the story, etc. So there would probably be lots of new places and stuff to see.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Fitting them into one timeline still won't work. If Movie 3 takes place after the fight with Vegeta then everyone would be dead and Goku would be travling to Namek. Movie 6 can't happen due to the fact that everyone on Earth is training for the arrival of the cyborgs. Movie 1-12 expect for Movie 9 have too many plot holes for them fit into one timeline. Fitting all of the DBZ movies into one timeline would be a total mess. It's like trying to fit every Kamen Rider show and movie into a single timeline. It would make your head hurt like hell.

I could make them fit together fine.

[Herms]

I figure each Universe is completely separate. All the timelines and everything we see, everything with Goku would just all be under Universe 7.

The other universes could just be places where life never formed, or things went completely different. Could be one where Naruto is the story, etc. So there would probably be lots of new places and stuff to see.

This is basically how the "12 universes" thing seems to have been intended: Dragon Ball (as in DB in general rather than simply the manga) is set in the Seventh Universe, and the other universes are places we've never seen before (ie not GT/the other DB movies/etc) and could contain all sorts of incredible stuff. Here's the entry for the Seventh Universe in Chouzenshuu 4's locations dictionary:

Refers to the universe where Goku and co. live. The film "Battle of Gods" reveals that there are 12 universes in total, and Dragon Ball takes place in the 7th of these universes.  Perhaps there are even more formidable foes in the as-yet-unseen universes.

So the Seventh Universe is where Goku and co. live (meaning there presumably aren't Gokus in the other universes), it's where DB is set, and the other universes have yet to be seen (so GT/the movies don't take place there, since we've already seen them).

The section at the start of Chouzenshuu 4 on "The Setup of the Universe" describes Goku and co.'s universe as being a huge sphere (presumably referring to the giant snow globe design Toriyama introduced in Daizenshuu 4, with the afterlife in the top half and the galaxies in the bottom half), and says that this gigantic universe is just one of twelve. It's not remotely as clear as I'd like it to be, but this probably means that the eleven other universes are eleven other giant snow globes with their own galaxies and afterlives, and implicitly their own Kaios and Kaioshins.

[TheGmGoken]

No, there are not other planets Earth in the other 11 Universes.

Opinion, not fact.

Chozenshuu 4 states that the 12 Universe are not alternative universes, so no, it's a fact.

The 12 universes are in a nutshell. BIG galaxies that have galxies of their own. Even their own afterlife and such. That's how I see them. DBZ just made it more simple and had just said 12 universes. To me this fits better anyways since every thing is different. I do wonder if the Terms are different such as the Kai(S) having different names.

[bleed0range]

It seems to me it's pretty simple. They're saying, "Goku, there's even more stuff for you to exploe and bad guys to meet!! Because we know you've seen heane, hell, multiple planets, etc." The 12 universes are just to leave room for more adventures for Goku to have. I'd lime them to be alternate versions of the same universe to explain the other movies and gt... that'd open up a lot for expansion of the series to do whatever it wants, but I don't think that's what they meant.

[Dabooyaka]

Battle of the Gods is canon friend.... ( yoshi you try hard lol ) I don't think GT is part of the 12 universes mentioned in the movie.