Are Gohan and Goten bad sons?

[Kid Buu]

A lot of people harp on Goku's poor fathership skills, but are his sons good sons?

Gohan trained with Goku for many years and told him he wished to battle the Artificial Humans, but the instant Goku puts him in a fight Gohan suddenly says he doesnt want to fight creating a total awkward moment. Eventually when Gohan does gain the will to fight Cell, he disobeys his father and fucks around, leading to the death of his dad.

Goten continued to fuck around as Gotenks the entire time, despite Buu murdering his mother in cold blood. How can Gotenks not take a situation like that seriously?

[TheGmGoken]

Goten continued to fuck around as Gotenks the entire time, despite Buu murdering his mother in cold blood. How can Gotenks not take a situation like that seriously?

HOW IS THAT GOTEN FAULT? .

Gohan I kinda agree. That he was being a bitch in that portion of the arc. But other than that he's a good kid. Just a bad Father-Son fighting duo Kid. Goten...well...didn't see much of him unless it was movies or Fusion. He seem to enjoy fighting more than Gohan though

[Kid Buu]

I'm at the Cell Games in this anime rewatch and the whole thing just seems out of character for most of them. Like Piccolo complaining at having Gohan fight, even though Piccolo did the same thing to Gohan in the Saiyan Arc.

[TheGmGoken]

I'm at the Cell Games in this anime rewatch and the whole thing just seems out of character for most of them. Like Piccolo complaining at having Gohan fight, even though Piccolo did the same thing to Gohan in the Saiyan Arc.

Not heard anyone say Piccolo was OOC But I agree now. Honestly forgot about it. Hell the issue was quite similar. They needed Gohan's Hidden power to aid in a person destroying Earth. But yea Gohan random "I don't want to fight" even though he asked for it was just...WTF.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'm at the Cell Games in this anime rewatch and the whole thing just seems out of character for most of them. Like Piccolo complaining at having Gohan fight, even though Piccolo did the same thing to Gohan in the Saiyan Arc.

To be completely fair, the Saiyan fight was slightly different though. They were all fighting together there, and I think that the way things turned out, it's pretty obvious that Piccolo was going to be watching Gohan's back the whole time, even if Gohan had lived up to Piccolo's expectations there. During the Cell Games however, Gohan is going in alone.

[TheMightyOzaru]

How in the hell are they bad sons?

[TheGmGoken]

How in the hell are they bad sons?

Cause ya know. Instead of growing up to be a fighter like their Daddy wanted they did what they wanted to do which would benefit them more(I bet Gohan is making money). So since Goku didn't get his wish that makes Goten and Gohan bad kids. Not bad fighters but bad kids.

[Kid Buu]

I'm at the Cell Games in this anime rewatch and the whole thing just seems out of character for most of them. Like Piccolo complaining at having Gohan fight, even though Piccolo did the same thing to Gohan in the Saiyan Arc.

To be completely fair, the Saiyan fight was slightly different though. They were all fighting together there, and I think that the way things turned out, it's pretty obvious that Piccolo was going to be watching Gohan's back the whole time, even if Gohan had lived up to Piccolo's expectations there. During the Cell Games however, Gohan is going in alone.

But Piccolo basically forced Gohan into the situation. Goku had spent 4 years hearing from Gohan on how he wanted to fight, how was Goku to know that Gohan was going to get cold feet?

[DBZAOTA482]

What the fuck are you talking about? Gohan a bad son? How is wanting to make your father proud and your mother happy make you a bad kid? Say is you will about Goten but never call Gohan a bad son.

But Piccolo basically forced Gohan into the situation. Goku had spent 4 years hearing from Gohan on how he wanted to fight, how was Goku to know that Gohan was going to get cold feet?

Piccolo isn't the same guy that he was years ago (fusing with Kami made him much more level-headed). He knows that Gohan would never the mindset of a warrior and that his awesome dormanted powers are hidden away by his fears.

[mAcChaos]

I'm at the Cell Games in this anime rewatch and the whole thing just seems out of character for most of them. Like Piccolo complaining at having Gohan fight, even though Piccolo did the same thing to Gohan in the Saiyan Arc.

Not heard anyone say Piccolo was OOC But I agree now. Honestly forgot about it. Hell the issue was quite similar. They needed Gohan's Hidden power to aid in a person destroying Earth. But yea Gohan random "I don't want to fight" even though he asked for it was just...WTF.

He was way more ruthless then. Cell Saga is after he absorbed Kami and mellowed out a bunch.

Plus he didn't know Goku was banking on his rage boosts just like Piccolo did against the Saiyans.

[Kid Buu]

Namekiean fusion doesn't affect his personality through, this is stated.

[TheGmGoken]

Namekiean fusion doesn't affect his personality through, this is stated.

To be fair. Piccolo was refsung with his other half. Not some random Namek. They just ued Piccolo's body

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku can be disappointed in Gohan when he beats him in a fight, which will never happen without SSJ God.

[Li'l Lemmy]

No way in hell that Gohan or Goten are "bad" children. Goten especially is pure, and fuck if he can be held directly responsible for Gotenks.

[Kamiccolo9]

Namekiean fusion doesn't affect his personality through, this is stated.

To be fair. Piccolo was refsung with his other half. Not some random Namek. They just ued Piccolo's body

Nail told him that before they fused.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Piccolo gets a pass for having a vested interest in Gohan at this point, whereas he previously had none, but more importantly because Gohan was a lot more necessary against Vegeta and Nappa than he would have been against Cell- Goku needed to clean that house. That's all Piccolo's perspective, of course, since Goku knows Gohan bridged the gap between them and then some- it was just the matter of getting him comfortable with it.

Yeah, Gohan can't really get any bad marks, the kid has two parents with completely different values and mostly lives into them both. I'll raise anyone who whines about the Buu arc; I always take Goku's surprise at Gohan's stagnation as a teen as pointing a finger at himself, because he's the one who told Gohan he made him proud and he could go back to studying with his blessing. I don't think even Goku would forget last words like that. On the other end, if you treat Gohan's mind a blank slate (Which it isn't), then Chi-Chi won that battle of wills off-screen almost from the beginning.

Goten's weird, because as has been said here in the past, we don't know where that sort of personality comes from, given his parents. But then we don't know how Goten was socialized past age 6.

[mAcChaos]

Man, that just made me realize that Gohan in the Saiyan Saga is nearly the same age as Goten. They couldn't be more different personality wise.

[Kid Buu]

Well okay "bad" probably wasn't the correct term. But on this rewatch its really odd that Goku is getting a hard time for putting Gohan in the center fight, where as Gohan has spent the entire arc saying he wanted to fight.

Yeah, Gohan can't really get any bad marks, the kid has two parents with completely different values and mostly lives into them both. I'll raise anyone who whines about the Buu arc; I always take Goku's surprise at Gohan's stagnation as a teen as pointing a finger at himself, because he's the one who told Gohan he made him proud and he could go back to studying with his blessing. I don't think even Goku would forget last words like that. On the other end, if you treat Gohan's mind a blank slate (Which it isn't), then Chi-Chi won that battle of wills off-screen almost from the beginning.

People complain about Gohan in the Buu arc? I thought that was when he was most likeable.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

People complain about Gohan in the Buu arc? I thought that was when he was most likeable.

If their enjoyment of the series is strength-centric enough, people can shoot down Gohan for not training despite having legitimate reasons as to why he didn't.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oh yes, Gohan has quite a few haters over here in America because he's not "badass" enough as an adult .