The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:40 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
Gohan stomps even harder than Cell Games SS Gohan would have. Goku gets absolutely murdered here.
Wait why? Gohan got weaker...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:43 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
While Gohan did surpass Goku in the Cell games with SSJ2, Goku did perform way better in SSJ1 against Cell compared to Gohan. Couple that with Gohan slacking for 7 years, id say Goku takes it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:52 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
Gohan stomps even harder than Cell Games SS Gohan would have. Goku gets absolutely murdered here.
Wait why? Gohan got weaker...
No, he lost the ability to gain power from rage. So his SS2 would be weaker. But, logically, due to training for the Budokai and growing into an adult body, his SS should be stronger.
While Gohan did surpass Goku in the Cell games with SSJ2, Goku did perform way better in SSJ1 against Cell compared to Gohan. Couple that with Gohan slacking for 7 years, id say Goku takes it.
HE didn't need SS2 to surpass Goku. He was already far stronger with just SS1. Four characters stated this, numerous times.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:54 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
While Gohan did surpass Goku in the Cell games with SSJ2, Goku did perform way better in SSJ1 against Cell compared to Gohan. Couple that with Gohan slacking for 7 years, id say Goku takes it.
Gohan already surpassed Goku in SSJ. Hell one kick made Cell bleed from Gohan. Cell was forced to move faster against Gohan than he was against Goku. Gohan thought Goku was holding back because he compared their powers and his was greater. So he thought Goku must still not be trying. So Gohan as an SSJ should have a significant lead. The real question is which statements you believe in for Adult Gohan.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:01 pm

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
While Gohan did surpass Goku in the Cell games with SSJ2, Goku did perform way better in SSJ1 against Cell compared to Gohan. Couple that with Gohan slacking for 7 years, id say Goku takes it.
Gohan already surpassed Goku in SSJ. Hell one kick made Cell bleed from Gohan. Cell was forced to move faster against Gohan than he was against Goku. Gohan thought Goku was holding back because he compared their powers and his was greater. So he thought Goku must still not be trying. So Gohan as an SSJ should have a significant lead. The real question is which statements you believe in for Adult Gohan.
I believe in the weaker than CG Gohan. Fits better IMO. Or combine both and say he got weaker and lost his rage boost. I honestly have weaker Gohan at CG Goku level. So Goku could win because of skill.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:04 pm

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
While Gohan did surpass Goku in the Cell games with SSJ2, Goku did perform way better in SSJ1 against Cell compared to Gohan. Couple that with Gohan slacking for 7 years, id say Goku takes it.
Gohan already surpassed Goku in SSJ. Hell one kick made Cell bleed from Gohan. Cell was forced to move faster against Gohan than he was against Goku. Gohan thought Goku was holding back because he compared their powers and his was greater. So he thought Goku must still not be trying. So Gohan as an SSJ should have a significant lead. The real question is which statements you believe in for Adult Gohan.
In which there are dozens of statements which never seem to add up when compared with each other.

I personally have Teen SSJ Gohan at around Cell Saga Goku.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:08 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:In which there are dozens of statements which never seem to add up when compared with each other.

I personally have Teen SSJ Gohan at around Cell Saga Goku.
Not only Goku, but Cell and Piccolo believe this too. Gohan had a significant advantage over his dad in SSJ.

I personally believe Gohan getting an Adult Body helped him keep his power (excluding rage boosts)
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:08 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:In which there are dozens of statements which never seem to add up when compared with each other.

I personally have Teen SSJ Gohan at around Cell Saga Goku.
Not only Goku, but Cell and Piccolo believe this too. Gohan had a significant advantage over his dad in SSJ.

I personally believe Gohan getting an Adult Body helped him keep his power (excluding rage boosts)
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:10 pm

DbzFan you double posted the same post lol. Anyways Kental how was it contradicted that Gohan > Goku?
In which there are dozens of statements which never seem to add up when compared with each other.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:12 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:DbzFan you double posted the same post lol. Anyways Kental how was it contradicted that Gohan > Goku?
It happened unfortunately and I can't delete one of them.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:13 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:SSJ Teen Gohan vs Cell Games Goku
Goku can only win with a Shunkan Ido Kamehameha.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Victorious » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:26 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:The Cyborgs are much stronger than that in the future. They're definitely weaker than the present Cyborgs, but not by much. The Cyborgs take this.
Future Trunks by the Android saga stated he can fight the Future Androids "Fairly decently"....he was one hit fodder for present #17. There should be a large gap between the two Androids in their timelines....unless they just toyed with him and suppressed themselves or something.

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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:32 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:The Cyborgs are much stronger than that in the future. They're definitely weaker than the present Cyborgs, but not by much. The Cyborgs take this.
Future Trunks by the Android saga stated he can fight the Future Androids "Fairly decently"....he was one hit fodder for present #17. There should be a large gap between the two Androids in their timelines....unless they just toyed with him and suppressed themselves or something.
I'm pretty sure they're holding back.
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Post by Cursed Lemon » Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:40 pm

But getting weaker due to lack of training has to lower your power in the SSJ state, because SSJ levels are just multipliers, and Gohan obviously still had the ability to go SSJ2, which suggests that he still recalled how to extend his base power to great lengths (which seems more of a "knowing your own body" thing).
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Cursed Lemon wrote:But getting weaker due to lack of training has to lower your power in the SSJ state, because SSJ levels are just multipliers, and Gohan obviously still had the ability to go SSJ2, which suggests that he still recalled how to extend his base power to great lengths (which seems more of a "knowing your own body" thing).
His power can only get lower in Base. Reason he is weaker in SSJ2 form is because he is not drawing strenght from anger like he did in Cell games.

That's one of the reasons why Gohan's personality changed when he transformed in SSJ2 (Cell Games)...

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:26 am

I believe his adult body countered his decrease. Hell for someone who apparently did nothing his muscles are chiseled and more defined then how he was as a kid.
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Post by Super Vegetto » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:16 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I believe his adult body countered his decrease. Hell for someone who apparently did nothing his muscles are chiseled and more defined then how he was as a kid.
What about this:

Chapter: 423 (DBZ 229), P4.1
Vegeta: “Your body’s gotten rusty. No matter how peaceful it may be, you should still train just in case.”


Shouldn't that mean Kid Gohan is much sharper than Teen Gohan ?

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:25 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:I believe his adult body countered his decrease. Hell for someone who apparently did nothing his muscles are chiseled and more defined then how he was as a kid.
What about this:

Chapter: 423 (DBZ 229), P4.1
Vegeta: “Your body’s gotten rusty. No matter how peaceful it may be, you should still train just in case.”


Shouldn't that mean Kid Gohan is much sharper than Teen Gohan ?
Compare their builds. Adult Gohan is much more muscular than Kid Gohan. You'd think Gohan would have gotten skinny but it's actually the opposite that happens.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:58 pm

SSJ2 Gohan Vs. Super Perfect Cell if they actually fought
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Post by Super Vegetto » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:24 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
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dbzfan7 wrote:I believe his adult body countered his decrease. Hell for someone who apparently did nothing his muscles are chiseled and more defined then how he was as a kid.
What about this:

Chapter: 423 (DBZ 229), P4.1
Vegeta: “Your body’s gotten rusty. No matter how peaceful it may be, you should still train just in case.”


Shouldn't that mean Kid Gohan is much sharper than Teen Gohan ?
Compare their builds. Adult Gohan is much more muscular than Kid Gohan. You'd think Gohan would have gotten skinny but it's actually the opposite that happens.
Actualy that statment doesn't make sense if its wrong.

Gohan's build looks better because he is 7 years older and got higher because of puberty. Maybe he did stayed the same, but not like 7 years before where he intensitly trained his body and was much tougher.

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