Goku kept SSJ God's power.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

Just listing off possible theories here. I can see Toei trying to link the series together. Goku keeping SSJG would explain why he was so strong in GT to begin with.

Was he abnormally strong in the beginning of GT? I didn't see any relatively big difference there, but of course he had been training all the time.

[KentalSSJ6]

Just listing off possible theories here. I can see Toei trying to link the series together. Goku keeping SSJG would explain why he was so strong in GT to begin with.

Was he abnormally strong in the beginning of GT? I didn't see any relatively big difference there, but of course he had been training all the time.

Well it would support the whole Base GT Goku > SSJ3 Z Goku theory.

[hleV]

Great! That officially makes BOG non-canon to the manga!

[KentalSSJ6]

Great! That officially makes BOG non-canon to the manga!

Guess well have to see where they go from here. Pretty sure a sequel with SSJG Vegeta will happen. Only time will tell but as it stands, Goku keeping SSJG's power does explain why he's so strong in GT to begin with.

[TheGmGoken]

Great! That officially makes BOG non-canon to the manga!

Didn't Toriyama make an animanga. Isn't that in a way...a manga?

Great! That officially makes BOG non-canon to the manga!

Guess well have to see where they go from here. Pretty sure a sequel with SSJG Vegeta will happen. Only time will tell but as it stands, Goku keeping SSJG's power does explain why he's so strong in GT to begin with.

Meh. Every franchise got their bad points. I guess GT would be this one. Guess people can stop ignoring it...despite the horrible stuff. But I have a question. Toriyama said the movies was a different dimension and GT was a side story. But Movie 1 and Movie 5 are in the timeline. So.....wut?

[TheMightyOzaru]

at least now we know why goku is so strong in gt

I highly doubt GT and Battle of Gods are within the same universe actually. Goku's as strong as he is because he trained with the reincarnation of Majin Buu for 5 years.

Great! That officially makes BOG non-canon to the manga!

No... no it doesn't. There's no f***ing canon to begin with .

[Cold Skin]

I like it that way, the ending to the manga makes even more sense now.

Goku's biggest challenge when Birus is sleeping (or gone by that time, depending on what happened in-between) is Oob, which is about as strong as the latest non-God threat without having been trained in his whole life, just having Boo's natural fighting instinct and power.

Boo himself was untrained and just spent his life randomly destroying and not increasing his power other than by absorption.

So Goku thinks: "here's a boy that's as strong as the ultimate non-God threat I faced when he's still completely untrained. I can hardly imagine what incredible warrior/challenger he would become if I - the third strongest person in this universe - were to train him from childhood to adulthood (about 10 years of training?) with his "minimal untrained level" being Boo's level - which was enough to put the whole universe in danger in the absence of Birus, as even Super Saiyan 3 could not beat Boo".

Epilogue Goku always felt different somehow (also due to his more mature/non-fighting outfit), but now that we know that he's actually powered by the essence of Super Saiyan God inside him, it makes him even more impressive and he feels even more like he has reached his summit by that time. He will be to Oob what Whis was to Birus, having been inspired by those. The last two chapters will feel fascinating to read now that we know a few hidden truth.

Makes the two epilogue chapters feel "unprecedentedly" awesome now, and Epilogue Goku as well (selecting this outfit in games will certainly be even more of a pleasure now that you'll feel you have the ultimate-God-powered Goku).

[hleV]

No... no it doesn't. There's no f***ing canon to begin with .

That's why I said canon to the manga, aka happened in the manga's history. If you were a little smarter you'd understand what I meant. And if you did understand it but just decided to be a dick, then, well, you're a dick.

I like it that way, the ending to the manga makes even more sense now.

Goku said Oob might win the 28th TB, and later on it turned out that Goku was expecting Oob to show that he has Boo's power. It'd be impossible for Oob to win against Goku if Goku had SSG power.

[KentalSSJ6]

No... no it doesn't. There's no f***ing canon to begin with .

That's why I said canon to the manga, aka happened in the manga's history. If you were a little smarter you'd understand what I meant. And if you did understand it but just decided to be a dick, then, well, you're a dick.

Easy there buddy. When people talk like that they usually end up getting banned. Nobody wants that to happen so just simmer down there abit ok?

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

I don't actually really care about this whole "canon" thing or GT in general. Heck, i don't even know where the word even came from.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't actually really care about this whole "canon" thing or GT in general. Heck, i don't even know where the word even came from.

According to the Urban dictionary the word came from......

13. Canon
A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all.
"I do not like that video game, Sonic Battle. Therefore, since 'I' do not like it, it is not 'canon' in the series' story! I have created a new trend! Now no one will play it anymore because IT'S NOT CANON!!" -BadCase#44755890002

I honestly think this is how canon was made. Most of the time I see people say Non canon they say it's "Non Canon" because it sucks!

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

I don't actually really care about this whole "canon" thing or GT in general. Heck, i don't even know where the word even came from.

According to the Urban dictionary the word came from......

13. Canon
A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all.
"I do not like that video game, Sonic Battle. Therefore, since 'I' do not like it, it is not 'canon' in the series' story! I have created a new trend! Now no one will play it anymore because IT'S NOT CANON!!" -BadCase#44755890002

I honestly think this is how canon was made. Most of the time I see people say Non canon they say it's "Non Canon" because it sucks!

That pretty much explained nothing new.
I was thinking about just the word. Did some kid mistype "cannon"?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

^ Goku was expecting Oob to be a strong & trained guy that would rival his power (since he believed that Oob would possibly beat him). After fighting with him (with Oob being clearly superior to base Goku), Goku says that Oob was as strong as he expected him, but he hadn't trained with anyone to learn how to control his power. So now... it doesn't make any sense, except if Goku can choose to use or not use his God power, and wasn't planning to use it against Oob.

I also don't see how it explains Goku's power in GT. Base & SS Goku with God power are implied to be equally strong, or insignificantly different, while in GT, base & SS have a significant gap, not to mention that Goku can transform into SS2, SS3, and even SS4 as well, who also have big gaps between them. If God Goku can still transform into SS2 & SS3, then his power shouldn't change significantly, or at all. So no, it doesn't explain anything.

[TheGmGoken]

^ Goku was expecting Oob to be a strong & trained guy that would rival his power (since he believed that Oob would possibly beat him). After fighting with him (with Oob being clearly superior to base Goku), Goku says that Oob was as strong as he expected him, but he hadn't trained with anyone to learn how to control his power. So now... it doesn't make any sense, except if Goku can choose to use or not use his God power, and wasn't planning to use it against Oob.

I also don't see how it explains Goku's power in GT. Base & SS Goku with God power are implied to be equally strong, or insignificantly different, while in GT, base & SS have a significant gap, not to mention that Goku can transform into SS2, SS3, and even SS4 as well, who also have big gaps between them. If God Goku can still transform into SS2 & SS3, then his power shouldn't change significantly, or at all. So no, it doesn't explain anything.

If anything this causes lots of issues. Makes wonder what's the point of Vegeta MAYBE getting it. Is Vegeta going to get some plot excuse to why he keeps it?

[Herms]

I was thinking about just the word. Did some kid mistype "cannon"?

No, over in the real world "canon" (with one 'n') is a word typically used to refer to a group of things considered authoritative or fundamental in some way. So the Biblical canon refers to the books considered divinely inspired and therefore included in the Bible. The Western canon refers to those works of Western literature that are considered so fundamental as to be required reading for any fully educated person. The Shakespearean canon refers to the complete works of Shakespeare, sometimes in contrast to works falsely attributed to Shakespeare.

About a century ago, Sherlock Holmes fans started to use the word to jokingly refer to those Sherlock Holmes stories written by Arthur Conan Doyle, to set them apart from the countless stories written by later imitators. They were using the word "canon" ironically, since at the time labeling something as part of a canon generally meant that it was sacred writing or at least Shakespeare-calibre literature. Still, this got the ball rolling for fans of various works of fiction, any fiction, to use "canon" as a way of indicating which stories count and which don't.

It started as a joke, but of course these days many fans tend to treat the guestion of what is and isn't canon with deadly earnestness. Even if they typically don't really know what the word means, or even how to spell it.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No... no it doesn't. There's no f***ing canon to begin with .

That's why I said canon to the manga, aka happened in the manga's history. If you were a little smarter you'd understand what I meant. And if you did understand it but just decided to be a dick, then, well, you're a dick.

Excuse me? what the fuck is your problem ?

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

I was thinking about just the word. Did some kid mistype "cannon"?

No, over in the real world "canon" (with one 'n') is a word typically referring to a group of things considered authoritative or fundamental in some way. So the Biblical canon refers to the books considered divinely inspired and therefore included in the Bible. The Western canon refers to those works of Western literature that are considered so fundamental as to be required reading for any fully educated person. The Shakespearean canon refers to the complete works of Shakespeare, sometimes in contrast to works falsely attributed to Shakespeare.

About a century ago, Sherlock Holmes fans started to use the word to jokingly refer to those Sherlock Holmes stories written by Arthur Conan Doyle, to set them apart from the countless stories written by later imitators. That got the ball rolling for fans of various works of fiction to use "canon" as a way of indicating which stories count and which don't.

It started as a joke, but of course these days many fans tend to treat the guestion of what is and isn't canon with deadly earnestness. Even if they typically don't really know what the word means, or even how to spell it.

...Huh. You seem pretty reserved.

[Herms]

Anyways, let's try and act like adults here. Or at least well-behaved children. There's no reason to act like a jerk over something like this. I'm looking mostly at hleV here, but there's a few people who should try and clean up their act.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Seems more evidence GT is non-canon which is always good.

[hleV]

No... no it doesn't. There's no f***ing canon to begin with .

That's why I said canon to the manga, aka happened in the manga's history. If you were a little smarter you'd understand what I meant. And if you did understand it but just decided to be a dick, then, well, you're a dick.

Excuse me? what the fuck is your problem ?

You failed to understand the obvious, that canon to the manga means happened in the manga's history (or, like I said, you were just being a dick by pretending you didn't understand). You made a statement "there's no canon" (and not very subtly, if you re-read your post) as if it somehow invalidates what I said, when in fact it has nothing to do with my point about BOG and the manga's continuity relation, it only has to do with DB canon in general (which is inexistent).
Basically you're all like "DB has no canon, everything you wrote makes no sense" believing that you're the one making sense here, and with that I have a problem.

Anyways, let's try and act like adults here. Or at least well-behaved children. There's no reason to act like a jerk over something like this. I'm looking mostly at hleV here, but there's a few people who should try and clean up their act.

Yeah, I'm the kind of a dick who points out that others are dicks. Sorry about that, I'm just here to have quality discussions and it sometimes irritates me when in attempts to disagree, people throw in unrelated bold statements.