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Dragonball Z Remake

Post by samuraix123 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:34 pm

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Does anyone think that maybe one day we'll see the series re-animated like the scenes in Ultimate Tenkaichi? Now I'm sure not ''The Entire Series'' will be re-animated. It'll be more like Kai in a sense. I mean, I do think it's possible considering they took the time to do it just for a game. Right?
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Besides Episode of Bardock and the remake of Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans and the new movie kinda went with this^ Art style..I guess. so I do think it's possible. What do you guys think? :P
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:36 pm

This is what Kai should have been. Sadly Toei is too cheap to use a decent budget for a project like this.
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Post by samuraix123 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:38 pm

I agree 100% That's what I was getting at, If they took the time to do it just for a little video game that's going to get replaced in like what 2 years? you know they've had to think about this idea.
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Re: Dragonball Z Remake

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:41 pm

I feel like I'm the only one that likes the original animation better than those newly animated scenes (for the most part). When the animation was at its best in the original, it animated better than that new animation does, and I'm not a fan of the modern series' art style. I think at most I'd like to have seen Kai entirely traced (but I prefer the original animation more anyway), that way they could do more with the material and get around anime filler better, but obviously that ship has long since sailed. I'm perfectly satisfied with Kai as it is (minus the sometimes questionable score, and that doesn't even bother me as much as it does others.)
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:44 pm

Not to say I don't love my old school animation (propbably like 3-4 studios), I'd love to see the animators that are always compiled in those sakuga mixes on youtube work on DBZ. It could be INSAIYAN.
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Re: Dragonball Z Remake

Post by AgitoZ » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:48 pm

I honestly don't think there will be a full blown remake. Maybe if Kai hadn't happened I'd be more optimistic, but nope.

Even if we were to get one, I wouldn't be so hot on the idea. Unless Toei gets a bigger budget, makes it a movie, or isn't constrained by the confines of an ongoing weekly series, then I don't actually want to see it.
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Post by Ajay » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:56 pm

I think, had Kai been a success, something like this would have been possible.

The unfortunate truth of it is that, since Kai did fail, they're likely to believe they can't milk the franchise's main story arcs all over again, regardless of new animation.

With the success of Battle of Gods, it's more likely we'll see more fresh content which, honestly, I'd much prefer.
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Re: Dragonball Z Remake

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:58 pm

Id prefer the Budokai 2-3 animation myself. Looks even better in my opinion and would be cheapter to animate compared to the UT cutscenes.

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Re: Dragonball Z Remake

Post by samuraix123 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:01 am

Metalwario64 wrote:I feel like I'm the only one that likes the original animation better than those newly animated scenes (for the most part). When the animation was at its best in the original, it animated better than that new animation does, and I'm not a fan of the modern series' art style. I think at most I'd like to have seen Kai entirely traced (but I prefer the original animation more anyway), that way they could do more with the material and get around anime filler better, but obviously that ship has long since sailed. I'm perfectly satisfied with Kai as it is (minus the sometimes questionable score, and that doesn't even bother me as much as it does others.)
No not all. I love the older animation better as well! Heck, I won't really watch a-lot of new Anime because the way it's Animated. lol I just started watching Toriko because it makes me laugh. but believe me, I'm right there with ya bud. :)
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Post by samuraix123 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:09 am

And I wouldn't mind double dipping into something that looked awesome. EVEN THOUGH! I would prefer new material. I think it's amazing myself how many different versions of the show there is and with all these different quality's with each. I'm not sure anything else has had that treatment especially a cartoon lol I just don't understand why Toei would have those made for a game but not try and do something else with it. :?
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Re: Dragonball Z Remake

Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:12 am

I agree. I thought the animation was better than the more recent stuff, and the art style itself is too. It's sharper and sleeker than the modern, chunkier stuff.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:19 am

Given that Kai did poorly, I doubt we will see another remake for a long time. I rather have something new then tell us the same story that we seen for the past 20+ years.
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Post by samuraix123 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:21 am

I always liked the flashback Vegeta has while Goku is fighting Boo. The animation is awesome and I wouldn't mind the series remade like this> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Fqeq1VWdE Sorry about the crap quality the Youtuber made :? Also I hope that's allowed.
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Post by theoriginalbilis » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:19 am

I also support the new movie/special route. I don't really feel like watching the whole series again, no matter how newer-looking it is.

Honestly, completely re-animating the DB/DBZ story will never be on the Toei to-do list.
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Post by Gonstead » Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:29 am

The ONLY way I could see this being done is if they condensed the main 4 saga's all into their own little movies similar to what was done with the original Dragon Ball movies.

Toei could even cheap out by simply re-using the already recorded dialogue from Kai and focus more on the animation itself.
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Post by Blade » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:41 am

I think that, regardless of how Kai's performance has made the possibility of the series ever being remade more or less impossible, a re-make is the last thing that the Dragonball franchise needs.

The biggest problem with the franchise since GT went off the air, and I'm talking about everything here - video games included, is endless regurgitation. Everything has thing has been re-done and re-hashed and re-released time and time again, and, quite frankly the franchise has been run into the ground.
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Post by Bejiita » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:42 am

To be honest, what I prefer about the DBZ in its original style is the way it's drawn, unfortunately, in the new style we get characters looking all plastic-like and really static and unrealistic, it looks like the characters are straight off the cover of a PS3 game, or a magazine cover, laminated and shining way too much, and not to mention the way Toriyama drew his characters is in the distant past, these new drawings just make DB look too different, at least in the original anime the artists did more or less make it look exactly how the manga looked, minus a few cheep studios like triangle crap.

But on the flip side, a new series would be nice, because there's something about seeing Ki blasts being fired... the way anime is produced nowadays looks so fluid, and that's one thing DBZ is about, speed and fast paced action, and this is one of the things the new animation triumphs over the old with, the fights have the potential to look blinding, some of the fights in DBZ would look incredible in new animation, the Freeza battle, redrawn and removed of its filler would be a awesome, well, pretty much every fight would, I guess it's a long shot, and I thought I was hooked on the old score used throughout DB/Z, but the score in new movie does sound really fresh and I liked it very much, so it would be possible to have a new series, that looks fresh and if done properly, would really work.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:58 am

Bejiita wrote:To be honest, what I prefer about the DBZ in its original style is the way it's drawn, unfortunately, in the new style we get characters looking all plastic-like and really static and unrealistic, it looks like the characters are straight off the cover of a PS3 game, or a magazine cover, laminated and shining way too much, and not to mention the way Toriyama drew his characters is in the distant past, these new drawings just make DB look too different, at least in the original anime the artists did more or less make it look exactly how the manga looked, minus a few cheep studios like triangle crap.

But on the flip side, a new series would be nice, because there's something about seeing Ki blasts being fired... the way anime is produced nowadays looks so fluid, and that's one thing DBZ is about, speed and fast paced action, and this is one of the things the new animation triumphs over the old with, the fights have the potential to look blinding, some of the fights in DBZ would look incredible in new animation, the Freeza battle, redrawn and removed of its filler would be a awesome, well, pretty much every fight would, I guess it's a long shot, and I thought I was hooked on the old score used throughout DB/Z, but the score in new movie does sound really fresh and I liked it very much, so it would be possible to have a new series, that looks fresh and if done properly, would really work.
Go with the happy medium between then and now with the Budokai opening animations. It's enough to show its clearly new animation while at the same time resembling the original animation to a great degree. As I said above it would be cheaper to animate than the way DBZ is being done now. I really dont see how a remade series in the Budokai series could fail as its basically what fans were expecting in the first place.
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Re: Dragonball Z Remake

Post by rereboy » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:43 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:This is what Kai should have been. Sadly Toei is too cheap to use a decent budget for a project like this.
This summarizes everything.
Metalwario64 wrote:I feel like I'm the only one that likes the original animation better than those newly animated scenes (for the most part). When the animation was at its best in the original, it animated better than that new animation does, and I'm not a fan of the modern series' art style. I think at most I'd like to have seen Kai entirely traced (but I prefer the original animation more anyway), that way they could do more with the material and get around anime filler better, but obviously that ship has long since sailed. I'm perfectly satisfied with Kai as it is (minus the sometimes questionable score, and that doesn't even bother me as much as it does others.)
A true remake of the series wouldn't replace the old anime. It would just be a different version of it. So why prefer a half-assed edit of the old anime instead of a proper remake...? At least it would be something truly new. Instead we have Kai which is just an cut and edited version of DBZ with an inferior soundtrack and worse voice acting... No matter how much more I would prefer the old animation style to the new ones, I wouldn't ever prefer Kai over a real remake due to this.

Also the art style and quality of the animation of a remake nowadays would depend only on the budget and on the people they had working on it.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:03 am

rereboy wrote:Also the art style and quality of the animation of a remake nowadays would depend only on the budget and on the people they had working on it.
Of course. As I've said, if it was more along the lines of the Budokai intro style, I wouldn't be against it. But if Kai had been reanimated by Toei, it would look like the other modern Dragon Ball works, and between that an the original animation, I'd prefer the original.

Now, if Toei used better animation teams with a better art style, I'd be all for that.
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