Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

Yup. Just ignore my "Could". I didn't say "Should". Some times waiting if better Than forcing yourself to wait. Would't be worse because waiting for a page 2- 5 days later gives time for obvious plot moments and what's about to happen. Making a spoiler. Also once again as I said. If you force yourself to wait then it'll be less "Cool" so to speak. Stop reading for 1 - 5 months just for 1 chapter is stupid. If the chapter was realsed say once every 2 - 3 months then people can enjoy the full experience of reading as if it was a real manga.

Whatever you just said is incomprehensible.

[TheGmGoken]

Yup. Just ignore my "Could". I didn't say "Should". Some times waiting if better Than forcing yourself to wait. Would't be worse because waiting for a page 2- 5 days later gives time for obvious plot moments and what's about to happen. Making a spoiler. Also once again as I said. If you force yourself to wait then it'll be less "Cool" so to speak. Stop reading for 1 - 5 months just for 1 chapter is stupid. If the chapter was realsed say once every 2 - 3 months then people can enjoy the full experience of reading as if it was a real manga.

Whatever you just said is incomprehensible.

In a nutshell. Forcing to wait is worst than waiting itself. Stop reading for 1 - 5 months just for 1 chapter is stupid. If the chapter was realsed say once every 2 - 3 months then people can enjoy the full experience of reading as if it was a real manga.

[rereboy]

You are contradicting yourself. You are saying that forcing to wait is worse than just choosing to wait, if I understood you. Yet, with the release schedule you suggest, the people who like it the way it currently is would be forced to wait, while in the current system nobody is actually forced to wait.

[TheGmGoken]

You are contradicting yourself. You are saying that forcing to wait is worse than just choosing to wait, if I understood you. Yet, with the release schedule you suggest, the people who like it the way it currently is would be forced to wait, while in the current system nobody is actually forced to wait.

You misunderstood. Nor did I contradict myself. I was writing as if someone is forcing THEMSELVES to wait not the writer forcing everyone to wait.

[Super Vegetto]

Look at what we will have in an upcoming chapter:



Glad it's a good art. To be honest, for a main story, there should always be good artists, because it impacts your enjoyment of the comic.

Gogeta Jr. ?

Someone nicknamed "Asura".

Wow, pretty good artist. I think this is also made by same author:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[rereboy]

Wow, those are incredible.

[TheMightyOzaru]

In regards to the whole FPSSJ Bardock thing. Fine, lets assume this is many years after the Freeza rebellion. I'll be generous and say it's 20 years later. Bardock has no sparring partners, he has no ROSAT, he has no special hidden power unlocks, and most importantly no Zenkais because he's a SSJ now. He has himself and basic training to get by. With in mind taking his base power level to, IMO, 10,000,000 is quite out there. He may hit a million if he's lucky. He'd still be weaker than 100% Freeza regardless of whether he mastered SSJ. SSJ Bardock taking on an opponent roughly as powerful as #16 is just hard to believe, which is why the whole idea gets so much flack.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In regards to the whole FPSSJ Bardock thing. Fine, lets assume this is many years after the Freeza rebellion. I'll be generous and say it's 20 years later. Bardock has no sparring partners, he has no ROSAT, he has no special hidden power unlocks, and most importantly no Zenkais because he's a SSJ now. He has himself and basic training to get by. With in mind taking his base power level to, IMO, 10,000,000 is quite out there. He may hit a million if he's lucky. He'd still be weaker than 100% Freeza regardless of whether he mastered SSJ. SSJ Bardock taking on an opponent roughly as powerful as #16 is just hard to believe, which is why the whole idea gets so much flack.

I disagree completely. Vegeta managed to get where he is without any sparring partners. Sure, he had Gravity Room & RoSaT, while Bardock didn't have any of those, but Bardock has been training for much longer than Vegeta. Not saying that Bardock is stronger than Vegeta, but saying that he can't even surpass Freeza after 50 or 20 years is just wrong IMO.

As for not having any near-death power-ups because he turned Super Saiyan, this is just a fan theory (to which I disagree), not a fact.

And I would also like to add that we have no idea what kind of training Bardock did. He may had done Gravity Training as well, since the Gravity Room isn't an Earth-exclusive invention.

[rereboy]

In regards to the whole FPSSJ Bardock thing. Fine, lets assume this is many years after the Freeza rebellion. I'll be generous and say it's 20 years later. Bardock has no sparring partners, he has no ROSAT, he has no special hidden power unlocks, and most importantly no Zenkais because he's a SSJ now. He has himself and basic training to get by. With in mind taking his base power level to, IMO, 10,000,000 is quite out there. He may hit a million if he's lucky. He'd still be weaker than 100% Freeza regardless of whether he mastered SSJ. SSJ Bardock taking on an opponent roughly as powerful as #16 is just hard to believe, which is why the whole idea gets so much flack.

First, time is not different in Bardock's universe. Time is not different between any universe. This Bardock is as old as the primitive Bardock from the primitive Saiyan universe. Even Future Trunks is as old as regular Trunks from the main universe, as it has been mentioned and implied when Gohan talked with him. The rebellion agaisnt Freeza happened when Goku was a baby. I don't know how old Goku is right now, but he is over 50 I believe. So, 20 years? Generous? Yeah, no. We know It was over 50.

Second, you have no idea what happened in his universe. Apparently there was a war between the Saiyans and Dr. Raichi and pretty much all the Saiyans were killed. You literally know nothing else. We can explain his power very easily just by saying that he continued to grow stronger as the Saiyan King because he didn't want to lose his position like the old King had, so he followed rigorous training until he was much stronger, that when the war with Raichi happened, due to the fighting and some zenkais he received, he became much, much stronger, that when the Saiyans were all but lost, he awakened his SSJ which allowed him to survive and leave, but he didn't manage to defeat Raichi with it, and that even as a SSJ he continued training in planets with environments as crazy as ROSAT so that he could one day defeat Dr. Raichi. Was that hard to explain or imagine...? I don't believe so.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

BTW, Bardock is confirmed to be 77 years old in DBM.

[TheOverlyMadHatter]

I agree that it's not too far-fetched for Bardock to acheive this level of power within a span greater than 50 years, with the war that pretty much led to the extinction of both races, and whatnot.

Gogeta Jr. ?

Someone nicknamed "Asura".

Wow, pretty good artist. I think this is also made by same author:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

The feet look a little awkward, but since we're either dealing with alien feet and shoes in DBM, this is starting to look promising.

[RandomGuy96]

Decades later and you believe that Bardock is 10,000 at his base..? Nowhere in the fan manga is stated how strong Bardock is or isn't. And he only had to be a mastered super saiyan to hold his own or be stronger than someone as strong as #16.

No, I think he's 2,000,000 in base, because that's what the novelization said. It said he was 200 times stronger than Caveman!Bardock. And Salagir said powers for alternate universe counterparts aren't different from their main counterparts unless specifically noted. Caveman!Bardock was never noted to be stronger than main Bardock, so he would be 10,000. 10,000 x 200 = 2,000,000. Weaker than Namek Goku.

So yeah, just a bunch of horseshit again. Nothing new here.

Even if those facts didn't exist, I still wouldn't like this fight, because Bardock has no sparring partners, no ROSAT, nothing to make him any stronger. You don't gain a bunch of power by sitting around and getting old doing MOUNTAIN TRAINING. You just don't. Goku trained alone for years between Piccolo and Raditz and he didn't get any stronger. If anything, this Bardock should be weaker, since he's 77.

[KentalSSJ6]

KEEP. THAT. ARTIST.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I honestly don't care what happened in his universe. Without Zenkai's he aint got shit on someone as strong as C-16. As RG96 mentioned above though, his BP is apparently 2 Mill in base. There is no reason he should be keeping up with Cold.

[rereboy]

No, I think he's 2,000,000 in base, because that's what the novelization said. It said he was 200 times stronger than Caveman!Bardock. And Salagir said powers for alternate universe counterparts aren't different from their main counterparts unless specifically noted. Caveman!Bardock was never noted to be stronger than main Bardock, so he would be 10,000. 10,000 x 200 = 2,000,000. Weaker than Namek Goku.

So yeah, just a bunch of horseshit again. Nothing new here.

Even if those facts didn't exist, I still wouldn't like this fight, because Bardock has no sparring partners, no ROSAT, nothing to make him any stronger. You don't gain a bunch of power by sitting around and getting old doing MOUNTAIN TRAINING. You just don't. Goku trained alone for years between Piccolo and Raditz and he didn't get any stronger. If anything, this Bardock should be weaker, since he's 77.

The comic doesn't follow the novel in the literal sense. It adapts it. This has already been said and established. It doesn't follow it in every detail. You would just have to read both to notice that.

I find it funny that many of the complains regarding the logic of the comic are because it conflicts with the novel or with some power level that Salagir mentioned way back then or some other thing he said.

Meanwhile, I, who only searches for problems within the comic itself or within the comic in relation to the original manga, find no such problems.

There's no problem in Bardock being that powerful within the comic itself, as I've already explained in my previous posts. That's pretty much all that matters.

I honestly don't care what happened in his universe. Without Zenkai's he aint got shit on someone as strong as C-16. As RG96 mentioned above though, his BP is apparently 2 Mill in base. There is no reason he should be keeping up with Cold.

You don't care what happened in his universe, even though what happened may indeed involve pre-SSJ zenkais and many more events that explain easily how he is that powerful. But you admit that with zenkais he could reach 16's level. That's very logical...

And, as I've said, the comic doesn't follow the novel in every detail. So, no problem there either.

[TheMightyOzaru]

As soon as he acquired SSJ, he received no more Zenkais. Ok, even if we don't take it so literally, he's still within the range of 200 times stronger than normal ol' Bardock. People can take issue with this if they want. The power scaling in this comic has been garbage at times prior to this.

[TheGmGoken]

As soon as he acquired SSJ, he received no more Zenkais. Ok, even if we don't take it so literally, he's still within the range of 200 times stronger than normal ol' Bardock. People can take issue with this if they want. The power scaling in this comic has been garbage at times prior to this.

Wait so this Bardock should be around 50+ years older right? With no special ways to train(Until told otherwise). How would he get stronger? basic Saiyan training would't be enough. Seeing as in 7 years otherworld training for Goku did not give Goku a huge increase. So unless Bardock did some gravity training(Like Goku did before Namek) I can't see a big boost happening. He might get to at least 60,000 with basic training with no special conditions. But that's all I can say.

[Hellspawn28]

If he has been control by Dr. Raichi this whole time then he could got stronger through his high technology. I'm betting this Bardock could go SSj2 and maybe SSj3 as well.

[TheGmGoken]

If he has been control by Dr. Raichi this whole time then he could got stronger through his high technology. I'm betting this Bardock could go SSj2 and maybe SSj3 as well.

That would make more sense. If he wasn't control then I call bullshit

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It said he was 200 times stronger than Caveman!Bardock.

No, he was stated to be at least 200 times stronger.

Six spaces further, on the side of Son Goku, he compared this Baddack from universe 3, with one of the universe 10, with whom he had discussed less than two minutes ago. Without a shadow of a doubt, one was at least two hundred times stronger than the other. But not good... compared to him, one or the other, it was the same: they weren’t very strong.

You don't gain a bunch of power by sitting around and getting old doing MOUNTAIN TRAINING. You just don't. Goku trained alone for years between Piccolo and Raditz and he didn't get any stronger. If anything, this Bardock should be weaker, since he's 77.

Again, we have no idea what kind of training Bardock did or in what conditions he trained. And I don't see any reason for him to have gotten weaker, his body is still on its prime. He hasn't aged yet physically.