Could have Vegeta's Final Flash fully killed Perfect Cell?

[TheMightyOzaru]

But still, the majority of the damage went to the upper half.

That's a non point. Why is his upper half more durable than his lower half? It would seem to me that Cell let his upper half go. That aside, your argument with Vegeta is if his Final Flash hit all of Cell, he would die. All of Goku's kamehameha hit Cell yet he lived so what makes Vegeta's Final Flash any different?

Vegeta's Final Flash managed to hit the right half of Cell's body. Cell tried to dodge at the last minute, since the Final Flash was clearly heading for the center of Cell's body, yet it took away only half of it, and the injury even had the shape of the ki blast.
Goku's Kamehameha exploded in Cell's body first, and then covered all of his body. Cell's upper half was completely destroyed. We have never seen a partial suppression of ki. One either suppresses his ki and makes his whole body weaker, or strengthen his whole body with his ki. We have seen Goku concentrating more ki in a certain point of his body, but we have never seen the opposite (taking away the ki from a portion of the body). Besides, Cell took the Kamehameha by surprise, he didn't have anytime to react.

No. We have no confirmation of Cell moving out of the way. Secondly you can put more ki into your fist so why not your lower half? Cell took the entire Kamehameha. It hit all of him again I'll repeat, it hit all of of him. It doesn't matter if his Kamehameha exploded in him, whatever the hell that means, his entire body took the full force of the attack. Again I'll ask, What makes Vegeta's Final Flash any better than Goku's Kamehameha? Here is an idea maybe Cell's body reacts to fatal attacks by powering up?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

There's also no confirmation on it hitting ALL of Cell's body either. That's why his lower half was still there. And one would think most of his power is concentrated in the upper half of his body, just as everybody else? And Goku aimed his kamehameha upward, not straight forward like normally.

[TheMightyOzaru]

There's also no confirmation on it hitting ALL of Cell's body either. That's why his lower half was still there. And one would think most of his power is concentrated in the upper half of his body, just as everybody else? And Goku aimed his kamehameha upward, not straight forward like normally.

For Goku's Kamehameha there is. He is the direct line of fire. Again what happened and what Goku wanted to do are 2 completely different things.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

There's also no confirmation on it hitting ALL of Cell's body either. That's why his lower half was still there. And one would think most of his power is concentrated in the upper half of his body, just as everybody else? And Goku aimed his kamehameha upward, not straight forward like normally.

For Goku's Kamehameha there is. He is the direct line of fire. Again what happened and what Goku wanted to do are 2 completely different things.

I'm stating how his hands were positioned and what happened, not what he "wanted to happen" lol

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No. We have no confirmation of Cell moving out of the way.

Look at the way the Final Flash goes.


Then, look at the shape of his injury.


It fits exactly with the size & shape of the Final Flash.

Secondly you can put more ki into your fist so why not your lower half? Cell took the entire Kamehameha.

You don't understand. Cell didn't expect the attack. He wasn't ready to take it, and he didn't have time to do anything. Besides, why would he try to save his legs, instead of his head? It doesn't make any sense, and it would make Cell stupid.

It hit all of him again I'll repeat, it hit all of of him. It doesn't matter if his Name a,eh a exploded in him, whatever the hell that means, his entire body took the full force of the attack.

Look at this. Phase one, the Kamehameha went BOOM! in front of Cell.


Then, in phase two, the Kamehameha covered all of Cell's body, finishing the upper half of Cell that had already got extra damage from the previous !BOOM!.

Again I'll ask, What makes Vegeta's Final Flash any better than Goku's Kamehameha?

I never said anything about that.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I guess I was proven wrong... LOL thanks for posting those images. Reason his lower half wasn't destroyed will never be answered I guess.

[hleV]

Because Cell's lower part contained the nucleous, and thus was stronger!

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

OK you can't seriously tell me with a straight face that the Kamehameha didn't hit all of Cell can you? It hit the entirety of his body. I suggest you go back and read that portion of the manga. No Cell merely aloud the Final Flash to remove half his body to mess with Vegeta.

Obviously I was remembering the Anime, which comes in second in this case. Cell was not blown away quite like he was in the Manga. And I admit this, I was proven wrong and I have no issue admitting it. It's been a while since I've read the manga (I do not own it afterall)

And this also does prove Final Flash is weaker, because Goku is stronger than Vegeta here.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Because Cell's lower part contained the nucleous, and thus was stronger!

Another inconsistency to add to the thousands that already exist...

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't see where you're going with this DBZGTKOSDH. The scans only help my argument. What "phase 2" of the kamehameha? It hit Cell head on and we see it envelop his body, what more do I need to prove? What is likely the case is that Cell has a defense mechanism that reacts to fatal attacks by raising his Ki.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What is likely the case is that Cell has a defense mechanism that reacts to fatal attacks by raising his Ki.

What is likely the case is that what you say is based on nothing.

Play closer attention to the first scan. The Kamehameha firstly explodes in front of Cell, then in the second scan, it covers the body.

[TheMightyOzaru]

What is likely the case is that Cell has a defense mechanism that reacts to fatal attacks by raising his Ki.

What is likely the case is that what you say is based on nothing.

Play closer attention to the first scan. The Kamehameha firstly explodes in front of Cell, then in the second scan, it covers the body.

OK... Why does that matter? No my theory is based on how Cell's body has reacted to certain things in the past. This sounds like something Cell's body can do.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think it's better to just agree that we disagree.

[Angelus]

Above, the direct path of the beam are the black arrow lines. The "Beam aura" as I would like to call it are the yellow lines. The rest are just light animations. The dark box is the proximity of where Cell's legs should be. The major part that got hit was just the torso, which of course included the part below his shoulders, where Cell's wings connect to his back, thus the part that connected his torso and the wings got cut... resulting with his wings falling off. Also.. the kness, a little bit, got hit. But that's after Cell was pushed away by the beam itself, which hit his upper body. The beam that's hitting his knee after is just the tail, not even the head of the beam.



Same principle as a gun's blast. A bullet (not the casing) coming from that rifle would be similar to the thickness of your thumb, but smaller. That muzzle blast is just the "aura" or the "light animation". Sure, its hot and it'll probably slightly burn you but it's nowhere of the same damage you would get if the bullet actually was the one that hit you.





Or a candle. The small, almost only 1-inch of a flame on a candle can illuminate a dark room. Analogy.. that light it emits would be the "light animation", not the "beam aura" in this example. The same "light animation" that engulfs the North Pole during Vegeta's Final Flash. If that truly was the radius of the damage then Android 16, Krillin, and Trunks and possibly Roshi's nearby Island would have been also destroyed.

Below, Vegeta still charging (CHARGING MAHH LAZZEER lol) his Final Flash. His "aura" or whatever it's called is already causing damage to the area, making a circular crater on the ground. Yet, no beam has been shot yet. Just imagine the radius of that "aura" once it actually is shot.








Now notice the "beam aura". Huge.






But after all of it subsides... we see that only the size of a small road was the size of the beam, smaller than the "beam aura" radius.





Also notice the lines. No, the black line in this case isn't the path of Vegeta's Final Flash because Vegeta was floating and was further away. That's just a representation of where Cell got hit, as compared to the "beam aura" that made a road-shaped crater around Cell.

And to top it off, the area where Cell was standing on already had a crater on it anyways. XD




ANYWAYSS... let's get back on topic. XD

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Mkay... i think this wraps it up

[Angelus]

Well... nahw. The thread has been derailed to "if Cell was really engulfed in Final Flash or Kamehameha" instead of the main one. XD

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Well... nahw. The thread has been derailed to "if Cell was really engulfed in Final Flash or Kamehameha" instead of the main one. XD

Yeah we seem to jump from theory to theory on this by the hour. Next thing you know, someone's gonna say Goku held back on his kamehameha! (facepalm)

I'm at a loss on this topic, this is my last comment ^_^

[Bussani]

The multipliers likely don't even double ones power anymore. 1.1-1.5x increases are more likely at this point.

Are you sure? Perfect Cell was already much stronger than Super Vegeta (even without his true power), but the Final Flash still did enormous damage to him. I was left with the impression that the Final Flash was way more powerful than Super Vegeta's regular strength, personally.

I have no doubt that it's stronger but it isn't stronger than half of fpssj Goku's power since Vegeta was quite awestruck by it.

Ahh, I see where you're coming from, then. But considering how much stronger (suppressed) Cell seemed to be than Super Vegeta, and considering what the Final Flash did to him, if we're going to say that half of Goku's power was even greater than the Final Flash, that just makes me start wondering if Goku wasn't much, much stronger than I'd previously thought, rather than that the Final Flash wasn't much stronger than Super Vegeta.

As for Goku's Kamehameha, I always figured that his upper half just took the full brunt of the attack. Angelus's post is more or less how I looked at it. The edge of the attack probably still does damage, but not as much.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

IIRC Trunks said that Vegeta tampered with his shot at the last second to avoid damaging the Earth. His ecstatic reaction to what happened to Cell indicated to me that he really didn't expect any more substantial damage that what was actually inflicted.

This is how I always took it; Vegeta knew he was done outclassed at that point, both in his actions and Trunks' confirmation, as well as not trying to blow up the planet, so if we go by that line of thinking of Vegeta's actually understanding his situation for once, to actually damage Cell merits a "Ha ha! And you thought I couldn't touch you now? Nope!" Small victory.

[Redgohan147]

Whether Cell had avoided the attack or not is completely irrelevant, the Final Flash from Vegeta then could never kill him, reasons why is because Cell took attacks point blank that were far more powerful, such as Goku's Kamehameha, and SSj2 Gohan's Kamehameha, which overpowered his Kamehameha that he fired with his full power. Cell tanked those hits which engulfed him. Heck,Ssj2 Gohan's simple punches were more powerful than Vegeta's Final Flash then.