When did Goku learn Bukujutsu?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm fully on board with the idea that he only learned to do it as a last ditch effort to dodge Piccolo's attack. He may have attempted to practice it while he was training at Kami's, but he had never actually succeeded till then. For me, explains why he still used the Kamehameha to propel himself around the ring in his fights and was even using Kinto'un into the Saiyan Arc; because he wasn't overly comfortable with the technique or the energy consumption.

[Saiga]

I always believed that Goku knew Bukujutsu beforehand, and TheDevilsCorpse was the first person to point out the likelihood of him learning it on the fly, which kills me inside. One thing I liked about that arc was that it didn't take Goku a last minute deux ex machina to win, he won as a result of his own training and preparation. If it's true that he learned the Bukujutsu at the last minute, then that totally changes that.

I prefer the theory that he knew it, he just wasn't skilled enough at it to use it constantly, leaving it as a last resort. At least the Daizenshuu seems to support this.

[DNA]

I'm sure Kami taught him how to use the Bukujutsu, but like Herms said, he simply didn't master it, it's not exactly an easy technique to master since it requires constant concentration, as seen when Videl tries to use it for the first time. Further evidence, as again Herms pointed out, is that Goku still hadn't the technique mastered by the time Raditz arrived, as he relied on the Kintoun to move at high speeds. He only truly mastered the technique during his time at Kaio's Planet.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm sure Kami taught him how to use the Bukujutsu, but like Herms said, he simply didn't master it, it's not exactly an easy technique to master since it requires constant concentration, as seen when Videl tries to use it for the first time. Further evidence, as again Herms pointed out, is that Goku still hadn't the technique mastered by the time Raditz arrived, as he relied on the Kintoun to move at high speeds. He only truly mastered the technique during his time at Kaio's Planet.

He was using the Kinto'un after Kaio's training as well. I guess his speed surpassed Kinto'un after his return from Yardrat, since that was the point he stropped using it.

[DNA]

He was using the Kinto'un after Kaio's training as well. I guess his speed surpassed Kinto'un after his return from Yardrat, since that was the point he stropped using it.

Of course he was. It was shown that he spent a lot of energy whilst flying back from Kaio's, then he quickly made a stop at Karin's for a Senzu, recovered his energy and used Kintoun to avoid spending any more energy senselessly since he was going to need it. It is quite clear and it comes directly from Goku's mouth, so that's no real evidence of his mastery or lack of it towards Bukujutsu. It's unsure if he was faster, slower or equal in speed to the Kintoun, since the reason he used it was to conserve energy for the fight.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He was using the Kinto'un after Kaio's training as well. I guess his speed surpassed Kinto'un after his return from Yardrat, since that was the point he stropped using it.

Of course he was. It was shown that he spent a lot of energy whilst flying back from Kaio's, then he quickly made a stop at Karin's for a Senzu, recovered his energy and used Kintoun to avoid spending any more energy senselessly since he was going to need it. It is quite clear and it comes directly from Goku's mouth, so that's no real evidence of his mastery or lack of it towards Bukujutsu. It's unsure if he was faster, slower or equal in speed to the Kintoun, since the reason he used it was to conserve energy for the fight.

Yeah, but he also used it when he left the hospital to head for the spaceship. There wasn't any need to save energy there.

[DNA]

Yeah, but he also used it when he left the hospital to head for the spaceship. There wasn't any need to save energy there.

... Delicious filler? Still, the question was when he learned it, not when he mastered it in such a way that he was faster than the Kintoun. I'd say, if we take that bit of filler into account, that during his training whilst travelling towards Namek he became faster than the Kintoun, since he was faster than Butta when arrived.

[Super Vegetto]

Yeah, but he also used it when he left the hospital to head for the spaceship. There wasn't any need to save energy there.

... Delicious filler? Still, the question was when he learned it, not when he mastered it in such a way that he was faster than the Kintoun. I'd say, if we take that bit of filler into account, that during his training whilst travelling towards Namek he became faster than the Kintoun, since he was faster than Butta when arrived.

Wasn't that Kaio ken like in anime, or you mean when they fight ?

[DNA]

Wasn't that Kaio ken like in anime, or you mean when they fight ?

What are you talking about? I don't understand your question.

[Super Vegetto]

Wasn't that Kaio ken like in anime, or you mean when they fight ?

What are you talking about? I don't understand your question.

The moment he arrived on Namek he flyed to battlefield. I'm suprised you didn't understand that...

[DNA]

The moment he arrived on Namek he flyed to battlefield. I'm suprised you didn't understand that...

I'm surprised you can't make yourself understood. You do know it is your responsibility as a member to ensure you type correctly and are understood, right?
I still don't know what you are trying to ask.

I said that the fact Goku is faster than Butta shows his mastery over his Ki output, and as a result, when he uses Bukujutsu he is much faster than Kintoun. He must have mastered this whilst on the ship flying towards Namek.

I'm surprised you didn't understand this the first time, if you still don't understand I'll try to break it down to even simpler terms.

[Darkprince410]

I think he's under the belief that Goku was using the Kaiou-ken during actual moments of flying to increase his speed, for, in the anime, when Goku is flying to the battlefield after having landed on Namek, he has the red Kaiou-ken aura up.

[DNA]

I think he's under the belief that Goku was using the Kaiou-ken during actual moments of flying to increase his speed, for, in the anime, when Goku is flying to the battlefield after having landed on Namek, he has the red Kaiou-ken aura up.

But then he fights without using the Kaioken and Butta admits that Goku is faster than him. So Goku using the Kaioken to reach the battlefield does not invalidate the fact that Goku is now faster than the Kintoun.

So, to sum it up:
When did Goku learn the Bukujutsu technique - Probably taught by Kami.
When did Goku master the Bukujutsu - Probably whilst training at Kaio's Planet.
When did Goku become faster than the Kintoun - Probably whilst training on the way to Namek.

Everyone happy now?

[dprez]

Kami taught Goku all that cool martial arts stuff like bukujustu, ki sensing, and more suttle and exact movements to improve power and speed.

I alway figured this was when Goku truly became a master martial artist. He managed to defeat the "old" King Piccolo, but to challenge and defeat his more powerful offspring, he would need to master his abilities.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

It doesn't make sense for them to explicitly make mention of Goku learning Bukuujutsu in his final attack against Piccolo if he'd used it prior in the Tenkaichi Budokai. It also doesn't make sense for Goku to improvise flying by shooting a Kamehameha from his feet if he knew Bukuujutsu at that time. The Kamehameha uses far more ki than the Bukuujutsu, and would've weakened him unnecessarily.

He probably studied Kami and Popo using it, and had seen Tenshinhan and Krillin use it, but didn't really feel comfortable enough to use it until his final blow to Piccolo where he knew it was all or nothing.

[Jackal puFF]

Huh? He was flying during his fight with Piccolo? I always thought he was just falling and gliding towards Piccolo for that final headbutt. I'm sure he knew how to fly a little though..

[DNA]

Huh? He was flying during his fight with Piccolo? I always thought he was just falling and gliding towards Piccolo for that final headbutt. I'm sure he knew how to fly a little though..

Yeah, although it's clearly "falling with style", it's apparently officially tagged as Goku using the Bukujutsu.

[rereboy]

Huh? He was flying during his fight with Piccolo? I always thought he was just falling and gliding towards Piccolo for that final headbutt. I'm sure he knew how to fly a little though..

When he attacked, he was more like falling than flying, but to first escape from Piccolo's attack he had to fly up into the sky since his legs and arms were all messed up.

[Saiga]

It doesn't make sense for them to explicitly make mention of Goku learning Bukuujutsu in his final attack against Piccolo if he'd used it prior in the Tenkaichi Budokai. It also doesn't make sense for Goku to improvise flying by shooting a Kamehameha from his feet if he knew Bukuujutsu at that time. The Kamehameha uses far more ki than the Bukuujutsu, and would've weakened him unnecessarily.

He probably studied Kami and Popo using it, and had seen Tenshinhan and Krillin use it, but didn't really feel comfortable enough to use it until his final blow to Piccolo where he knew it was all or nothing.

Actually, that's probably not true. It's noted that when Goku uses the Super Kamehameha, his stamina didn't drop at all, so regular Kamehameha should be nothing to him. So I definitely see the Kamehameha using less energy than Bukujutsu would.