When did Goku learn Bukujutsu?

[Tyro]

The Daizenshuu implies that Goku learned Bukujutsu before the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. It says: "Also, Kuririn and Goku learned this technique through self study." It's always been obvious to me that Goku learned Bukujutsu on the fly, judging by the way he Kamehameha'd himself around the ring fighting Piccolo. If the Daizenshuu means "Goku learned the technique having had no outside advice," sure, I can believe that. But I don't think he had the technique coming into the fight.

What do you think?

[Super Vegetto]

I don't understand what you whant to say, but Goku used Fly when he fought Tien, and later with Piccolo.

[Tyro]

I don't understand what you whant to say, but Goku used Fly when he fought Tenshinhan, and later with Piccolo.

Was my post badly worded? I'll edit it if need be.

Goku definitely could not fly at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. He first uses the technique to save his life from Piccolo's last attack in the finals of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

The Daizenshuu wording makes it sound like Goku practiced if not completely learned Bukujutsu during his training at God's. I think this is an error or badly worded on their part.

[Super Vegetto]

I don't understand what you whant to say, but Goku used Fly when he fought Tenshinhan, and later with Piccolo.

Was my post badly worded? I'll edit it if need be.

Goku definitely could not fly at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. He first uses the technique to save his life from Piccolo's last attack in the finals of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

The Daizenshuu wording makes it sound like Goku practiced if not completely learned Bukujutsu during his training at God's. I think this is an error or badly worded on their part.

Yes, Goku didn't know how to fly at 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. He first uses the technique on 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai against Tien:



I don't understand why you think that it's an error ? Am i missing something ?

[DoomieDoomie911]

He learned it between the 22nd and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. I don't really understand why you think the Daizenshuu worded it wrong...

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I think that Goku studied the technique before the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, but perfected it during his fight with Piccolo.

[rereboy]

I also think its rather obvious that he learned it on the fly while fighting Piccolo to escape Piccolo's attack. He didn't fly agaisnt Tenshinhan, he merely jumped very high.

[Super Vegetto]

I also think its rather obvious that he learned it on the fly while fighting Piccolo to escape Piccolo's attack. He didn't fly agaisnt Tenshinhan, he merely jumped very high.

Tien flys faster to chatch up with Goku and Goku is still in the air.

Here is one more:

[rereboy]

I also think its rather obvious that he learned it on the fly while fighting Piccolo to escape Piccolo's attack. He didn't fly agaisnt Tenshinhan, he merely jumped very high.

Tenshinhan flys faster to chatch up with Goku and Goku is still in the air.

Here is one more:
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Tenshinhan has always known how to fly. Its Goku who doesn't (at that moment). Goku didn't fly in that fight, he just jumped very high and stayed in the air for a long time because of how high he had jumped.

[Super Vegetto]

Goku did fly in this fight and i don't see why should he hold back his flying technique at all.

[Tyro]

Goku did fly in this fight and i don't see why should he hold back his flying technique at all.

Nobody in the series said anything about Goku flying in his fight with Tenshinhan so at best all you can say is that Goku appears to be flying to you. It's around the time that they learn the technique so it's not an obvious thing.

On the other hand, this fight doesn't come across as any more spectacular than other high jump air battles. Here's a picture of Yamcha doing something similar in the previous Tournament.

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Goku also uses the Kamahameha to get himself around in the air when it would have been appropriate to use Bukujutsu. In fact, he does it a lot.

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With all this plus the fact that everyone seemed surprised that he used Bukujutsu to avoid Piccolo's final attack, I think it's clear that it's something he learned on he spot. If the wording of the Daizenshuu means that Goku learned Bukujutsu over the timeskip, I gotta say it doesn't seem logical. But if it means that he learned it through no outside help, yeah, I definitely agree with it.

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[Polyphase Avatron]

Something I always found weird was that when Tien first did it Master Roshi called bukujutsu a Crane Hermit school nonsense technique, but then all of his students ended up learning it... I wonder if he ever got all resentful over that.

[Herms]

I also think its rather obvious that he learned it on the fly while fighting Piccolo to escape Piccolo's attack. He didn't fly agaisnt Tenshinhan, he merely jumped very high.

Well, he didn't use the Kamehameha either. They make a point of saying he was never going all-out during the Tenshinhan fight, so the fact that he never used Bukujutsu then isn't really conclusive. Plus, even by the start of the Saiyan arc he's still not really all that good at Bukujutsu, so odds are during the tournament he wouldn't rely on it unless he had no other alternative...like at the very end there. The question is, is there any point earlier on in the Piccolo fight where Goku conspicuously fails to use Bukujutsu? Some part where it would have been really advantageous to use it, yet he still didn't?

[Super Vegetto]

Tyro: You know why it's hard for me to belive that Goku didn't learn how to fly ?

It's because of Krillin.

[rereboy]

I also think its rather obvious that he learned it on the fly while fighting Piccolo to escape Piccolo's attack. He didn't fly agaisnt Tenshinhan, he merely jumped very high.

Well, he didn't use the Kamehameha either. They make a point of saying he was never going all-out during the Tenshinhan fight, so the fact that he never used Bukujutsu then isn't really conclusive. Plus, even by the start of the Saiyan arc he's still not really all that good at Bukujutsu, so odds are during the tournament he wouldn't rely on it unless he had no other alternative...like at the very end there. The question is, is there any point earlier on in the Piccolo fight where Goku conspicuously fails to use Bukujutsu? Some part where it would have been really advantageous to use it, yet he still didn't?

He uses a mini kamehameha to get back in the ring at one point during the fight with Piccolo. If he knew how to fly, that seems rather pointless and probably a waste of energy. Also during the fight with Tenshinhan he also spins like a tornado to get back into the ring instead of flying or floating.

Oh, and I stated that he didn't fly in the fight with Tenshinhan because, as far as I can tell, he never actually moves while in the air like he would if he knew how to fly. He merely jumps, trades punches with Tenshinhan or whatever and then falls.

Tyro: You know why it's hard for me to belive that Goku didn't learn how to fly ?

It's because of Krillin.

Krillin probably trained his ass off to learn it. Goku himself probably had never needed it so he didn't bother to learn it, and when he did need it to escape from Piccolo, he learned it on the fly.

That's how amazing Goku is. He learned that technique on the fly and managed to pull off the win.

That also fits extremely well with his personality. If he knew how to fly before that moment, then Goku had been purposely hiding that he could do that the entire tournament, going as far to use alternatives like the Kamehameha to not fall off the ring when he needed to instead of flying. That seems way too planned for Goku, not to mention that flying is not an ultimate technique or anything.

[90sDBZ]

I'm not sure on this one. In the anime he never flew against Tien and yet he seemed to already know he could fly when he told his friends not to help him against Piccolo when he was about to get blasted into dust. He was confident he could win even when his arms and legs were broken so that to me says he was already able to do it. It could be possible he just hid it until the very end. His friends seemed surprised he could fly so that confirms he didn't fly against Tien.

[rereboy]

I'm not sure on this one. In the anime he never flew against Tenshinhan and yet he seemed to already know he could fly when he told his friends not to help him against Piccolo when he was about to get blasted into dust. He was confident he could win even when his arms and legs were broken so that to me says he was already able to do it. It could be possible he just hid it until the very end. His friends seemed surprised he could fly so that confirms he didn't fly against Tenshinhan.

This is a guy that allowed Piccolo to punch him as hard as he could freely because Kami had interfered earlier. He wouldn't allow their interference no matter what.

Not to mention that he could just be confident that he would learn how to fly in those few seconds.

[90sDBZ]

I'm not sure on this one. In the anime he never flew against Tenshinhan and yet he seemed to already know he could fly when he told his friends not to help him against Piccolo when he was about to get blasted into dust. He was confident he could win even when his arms and legs were broken so that to me says he was already able to do it. It could be possible he just hid it until the very end. His friends seemed surprised he could fly so that confirms he didn't fly against Tenshinhan.

This is a guy that allowed Piccolo to punch him as hard as he could freely because Kami had interfered earlier. He wouldn't allow their interference no matter what.

Not to mention that he could just be confident that he would learn how to fly in those few seconds.

You might have a point there. But I'm not sure if even Goku would deny help if he was facing certain death. He allowed Tien to save him from King Piccolo's blast when he was too injured to avoid it himself just 3 years earlier. And throughout Z he accepts help whenever things seem hopeless. Honestly I could go either way on this.

[rereboy]

I'm not sure that Goku allowed Tenshinhan to save him. Tenshinhan probably just grabbed him and immediately flew up. Also, the reason why Goku is so determined in following the rules is because he was in a tournament. He wanted to win within the rules so that he knew that he had conquered the tournament fair and square. Such was not the case with Piccolo Daimao.

[TheGmGoken]

Honestly think that Goku was keeping that a surprise to the final round(Like Goku didn't know he was going to kick everyone's ass ). Hence why he did he so unexpectedly during Piccolo's fight.