How strong is Pui-Pui?

[Kakashi]

So someone like Ginyu can survive hits from Boo Arc Base Vegeta? I have Pocus at least around 50% Final Form Freeza

A. Krillin has been bitch kicked by Cell. B. Vegeta wasn't using his full power. C. Pui Pui thinks 10Gs is impressive. He's a weakling.

Krill in was almost dead so no. Who said Vegeta was not using full power? Gravity is inconsistent and Cell vs Krillin proves my point

[Darkprince410]

Vegeta was just having fun with Pui Pui, pulling his punches to just beat him up rather than outright kill him. You saw how quickly he was able to destroy him when he decided to land the killing shot. He didn't have a battle aura up, and didn't act at any point like he was going all out against him.

[Kaboom]

Gravity is inconsistent

So are "survival" feats.

Pui-Pui not exploding with Vegeta's first punch doesn't prove anything.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Mr. Satan survived hits from Trunks, Cell, and Pure Boo. Does this mean anything?

[SuperSaiyan2]

Stronger than Kaioshin, who can one shot Freeza. Possibly around as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Androids saga.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Stronger than Kaioshin, who can one shot Freeza. Possibly around as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Androids saga.

What exactly puts him above Kaioshin?

[TheGmGoken]

Stronger than Kaioshin, who can one shot Freeza. Possibly around as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Androids saga.

Base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza. Ssj Vegeta Cyborg arc> Freeza. So Pui Pui = Ssj Vegeta is impossible

[SuperSaiyan2]

Stronger than Kaioshin, who can one shot Freeza. Possibly around as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Androids saga.

Base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza. Ssj Vegeta Cyborg arc> Freeza. So Pui Pui = Ssj Vegeta is impossible

Prove that the base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza.

[TheMightyOzaru]

So someone like Ginyu can survive hits from Boo Arc Base Vegeta? I have Pocus at least around 50% Final Form Freeza

A. Krillin has been bitch kicked by Cell. B. Vegeta wasn't using his full power. C. Pui Pui thinks 10Gs is impressive. He's a weakling.

Krill in was almost dead so no. Who said Vegeta was not using full power? Gravity is inconsistent and Cell vs Krillin proves my point

And? The difference between Krillin and Cell is much larger than the difference between Pui Pui and Vegeta. Who says Vegeta was at full power? There's no reason to assume he is based on how nonchalant he is beating the shit out of Pui Pui. Gravity is inconsistent? Since when?

Stronger than Kaioshin, who can one shot Freeza. Possibly around as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Androids saga.

Base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza. Ssj Vegeta Cyborg arc> Freeza. So Pui Pui = Ssj Vegeta is impossible

Prove that the base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza.

Beerus says so, and Kaio claims he's well informed. The manga doesn't contradict Beerus and Kaio so why should it be disregarded?

[TheGmGoken]

Stronger than Kaioshin, who can one shot Freeza. Possibly around as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the Androids saga.

Base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza. Ssj Vegeta Cyborg arc> Freeza. So Pui Pui = Ssj Vegeta is impossible

Prove that the base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza.

You watched BoG?

[SuperSaiyan2]

You watched BoG?

Indeed. First of all, Goku was very likely suppressed. Kaio told him to go and hide, so Birusu would leave him. Also BoG is not canon in my eyes.

[TheMightyOzaru]

You watched BoG?

Indeed. First of all, Goku was very likely suppressed. Kaio told him to go and hide, so Birusu would leave him. Also BoG is not canon in my eyes.

Kaio says Beerus is well informed. Kaio should know how strong Goku is.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Prove that the base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza.

Prove that the base Saiyans surpassed Freeza.

[SuperSaiyan2]

Prove that the base Saiyans never surpassed Freeza.

Prove that the base Saiyans surpassed Freeza.

Kaioshin. Kaioshin wants them all to gang bang Pui Pui. It suggests that Kaioshin is still in range of fighting Pui Pui if he has help. Then we see Base Vegeta stomp the hell out of Pui Pui. Next up, Yakon comes out, and Kaioshin is extremely scared. Yakon is obviously much, much stronger than Pui Pui. Base Goku was able to fight about even with Yakon. Keep in mind that Kaioshin can one shot Freeza.

Base Goku ~> Base Vegeta ~ Yakon >> Pui Pui > Kaioshin >>>> Freeza

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kaioshin is paranoid. Pui Pui would become Kaioshin's bitch in a second. Yakon is also weaker than Kaioshin makes him out to be. Babidi has a reputation of gathering the strongest fighters in the universe, and he has reason to believe that seeing he has Dabura under his control. The problem is Kaioshin can't sense energy so how can we trust that Pui Pui or Yakon is stronger than Kaioshin? We really can't. This isn't evidence enough to prove that the base Saiyans are stronger than Freeza.

[dbzfan7]

We know Piccolo is stronger than a tired FPSSJ Goku as he could somewhat stand up to the Cell Jr's while Goku could not. Also I doubt all the Saiyans got over 50x stronger in the rosat. Goku also barely got stronger in base strength over seven years later as he was still in SSJ2 Kid Gohans league. I don't want to hear Tired FPSSJ Goku<FP Base Goku as that's bullshit.

RED CODE RANGER issuing a CODE PURPLE. Though it's not a major one just yet.

[SuperSaiyan2]

Kaioshin is paranoid. Pui Pui would become Kaioshin's bitch in a second.

That makes no sense. Why would he be paranoid if he could one shot Pui Pui? Tag team fights were only brought up when fighters were inferior to the one they wanted to beat. For example, Freeza said Zarbon and Dodoria could beat Vegeta if they teamed up. Similarly, Kaioshin wants to do the same here. He should definitely be weaker.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Kaioshin is paranoid. Pui Pui would become Kaioshin's bitch in a second.

That makes no sense. Why would he be paranoid if he could one shot Pui Pui?

I just answered that question. He can't sense energy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Kaioshin. Kaioshin wants them all to gang bang Pui Pui. It suggests that Kaioshin is still in range of fighting Pui Pui if he has help. Then we see Base Vegeta stomp the hell out of Pui Pui. Next up, Yakon comes out, and Kaioshin is extremely scared. Yakon is obviously much, much stronger than Pui Pui. Base Goku was able to fight about even with Yakon. Keep in mind that Kaioshin can one shot Freeza.

Base Goku ~> Base Vegeta ~ Yakon >> Pui Pui > Kaioshin >>>> Freeza

Kaioshin was scared that the Saiyans would get careless & get damage from Pui-Pui & Yakon, which would give energy to Majin Boo. Kaioshin didn't want to give any energy to Boo because he was paranoid, so if everyone were to attack, the chances for Boo to get any energy would be zero. Kaioshin was also overestimating Babidi's henchmen (because Babidi collects only strong guys, so they must be strong), and was underestimating the Saiyans (since he is a god and they are mortals). He only realized that the Saiyans surpassed him when he saw Super Saiyan Goku in action against Yakon. So, he thought that Pui-Pui, Yakon, and Dabra would cause trouble to the Super Saiyans, but in reality, they weren't as strong as he thought they were.

Plus, this is supported from the fact that Piccolo is stronger than the base Saiyans, and Kaioshin is stronger than Piccolo.

[Thanos]

The more time goes by, the less I honestly care about exact strengths of characters... especially relative to others. I mean honestly, there's no way Toriyama put any more thought into his strength than, "Enough to be a competent fighter, but weak enough to serve the plot and be humiliated by Vegeta."

It's fun to speculate and come to the closest conclusions possible, but there's always going to be massive contradictions involved.

I don't mean to be a party pooper, but I feel like I can suspend my logical faculties and happily participate in most of these "x vs. y" comparisons, but Puipui seems to exist for the sole purpose of comic relief for Vegeta to play off of.