How strong is Pui-Pui?
How strong is Pui-Pui?
Is he stronger or weaker than Freeza?(any forms)
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
Weaker than final form Freeza for sure. He MIGHT be stronger than one or all of the first three forms, but there's nothing substantial supporting it. I personally just have him at 800,000, in between first and second form Freeza, to give him his credit as one of the strongest beings in the universe.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
I'm guessing not very strong. Strong enough to take out the Ginyu force and maybe Freeza's first few forms, but Final Final form Freeza would take him out 8/10.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
I gave him a BP of 270,000 so no I don't think he can take any of Freeza's forms. Hell, I don't even think he can take Krillin whom I have at 360,000 during the Buu arc.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
I have him weaker than Final Form Freeza and stronger than equal to 2nd form. I'm not impressed.
Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
I just place Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura to be around Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell strength.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
...ooooh, that's actually kind of cool. The heroes just stomping the equivalent of the previous villains. I mean the whole point of that sequence was to show how far the heroes have gotten, so that's surprisingly fitting. It requires a bit of stretching, but it can work. I'd at least put Pui Pui on par with Ozaru Vegeta, not normal Vegeta, though.Kid Buu wrote:I just place Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura to be around Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell strength.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
I never saw him as being very strong, maybe around Ginyu force level.
Yakon, on the other hand, would be significantly above 100% Frieza.
Yakon, on the other hand, would be significantly above 100% Frieza.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
What Oozaru said. Maybe I'd place Pui Pui around Oozaru Vegeta.Kid Buu wrote:I just place Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura to be around Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell strength.
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Randomguy said that. Not Oozarudbzfan7 wrote:What Oozaru said. Maybe I'd place Pui Pui around Oozaru Vegeta.Kid Buu wrote:I just place Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura to be around Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell strength.
Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
Just re-watched the entire Vegeta vs. Pui-Pui fight. It may just be a dub line, but Goku and Gohan do point out that Vegeta seems to have gotten a lot stronger during the fight, after he's shown that he's way, way too much for Pui-Pui to handle (effortlessly blocking his hits, dodging dozens of punches by just barely moving, etc.)
Even if they can't actually sense Pui-Pui's power, they should at least be able to get a general idea of how strong he is by watching him fight, just like how Ginyu did with Goku way back in the day. If being able to embarrass Pui-Pui like that is a sign of Vegeta being a lot stronger than he was back at the Cell Games, then maybe Pui Pui might be as strong as the base Saiyans were back then (or at least close enough that, if Cell Games Vegeta would've fought him instead of Buu saga Vegeta, he might actually put up a decent fight... at least as long as Vegeta stayed in base form.)
Which would still make him a heck of a lot weaker than 100% Freeza, but also way, way above the 10,000s/100,000s ranges that I see some people put him in. It also seems kind of unlikely that he'd be able to take so many hits from Vegeta without being knocked unconscious or horribly injured (not just getting his outer shell all scuffed up and some teeth knocked out like he did) if he had a power level so low that even 1st-form Freeza could beat him... those hits didn't seem like they were just Vegeta's equivalent of Cell lightly swatting Mr. Satan just to get him out of the way or anything, they were real punches/kicks. If he's in the low millions somewhere, then that kind of damage would make more sense.
Even if they can't actually sense Pui-Pui's power, they should at least be able to get a general idea of how strong he is by watching him fight, just like how Ginyu did with Goku way back in the day. If being able to embarrass Pui-Pui like that is a sign of Vegeta being a lot stronger than he was back at the Cell Games, then maybe Pui Pui might be as strong as the base Saiyans were back then (or at least close enough that, if Cell Games Vegeta would've fought him instead of Buu saga Vegeta, he might actually put up a decent fight... at least as long as Vegeta stayed in base form.)
Which would still make him a heck of a lot weaker than 100% Freeza, but also way, way above the 10,000s/100,000s ranges that I see some people put him in. It also seems kind of unlikely that he'd be able to take so many hits from Vegeta without being knocked unconscious or horribly injured (not just getting his outer shell all scuffed up and some teeth knocked out like he did) if he had a power level so low that even 1st-form Freeza could beat him... those hits didn't seem like they were just Vegeta's equivalent of Cell lightly swatting Mr. Satan just to get him out of the way or anything, they were real punches/kicks. If he's in the low millions somewhere, then that kind of damage would make more sense.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
As strong as an average Saiyan.
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Re: How strong is Pui-Pui?
Shut up I was sleepyTheGmGoken wrote:Randomguy said that. Not Oozarudbzfan7 wrote:What Oozaru said. Maybe I'd place Pui Pui around Oozaru Vegeta.Kid Buu wrote:I just place Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura to be around Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell strength.
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I second this notion. I like the build up of having the fighters represent the previous arc villains, with then leading to the new, much stronger villain.Kid Buu wrote:I just place Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura to be around Saiyan Arc Vegeta, Freeza, and Cell strength.
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So someone like Ginyu can survive hits from Boo Arc Base Vegeta? I have Pocus at least around 50% Final Form Frieza
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Krillin survived a hit from Cell. Who said Vegeta was using full power in base?Kakashi wrote:So someone like Ginyu can survive hits from Boo Arc Base Vegeta? I have Pocus at least around 50% Final Form Freeza
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As long as Vegeta isn't trying to kill him, Pui Pui can survive anything the Saiyan throws at him before the finishing blow is delivered.Kakashi wrote:So someone like Ginyu can survive hits from Boo Arc Base Vegeta? I have Pocus at least around 50% Final Form Freeza
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A. Krillin has been bitch kicked by Cell. B. Vegeta wasn't using his full power. C. Pui Pui thinks 10Gs is impressive. He's a weakling.Kakashi wrote:So someone like Ginyu can survive hits from Boo Arc Base Vegeta? I have Pocus at least around 50% Final Form Freeza
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