Honestly though, that would explain a lot in GT.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That makes no sense. By that logic, Bulma is stronger than Kame-sennin during the Son Goku arc because she was more important.
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This is GT we're talking about. It can do that if it wants.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:That makes no sense. By that logic, Bulma is stronger than Kame-sennin during the Son Goku arc because she was more important.Bierhoff wrote:By the end of GT, due to importance, she is at least stronger than Goten and Trunks, even when they are in SSjin form.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
You spoke about things that are written in GT Perfect Files or things that we saw in DB GT. DB GT contradicts the Manga in some or many ways so these DB GT contradictions are debatable to me.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: I only disregard what is contradicted by the manga. Otherwise, nothing is debatable, it is what it is, because official statements >>>>>> fan opinions.
It took 100 years for a Kakarotto's descendant could transform into SSJ. That does not tell me much about a great potential even to surpass Goku and Co. Although Goku Jr can transforms in to SSJ does not mean he can surpass Goku and Co.
One thing is inherit his father's strength and the other is to have an even greater potential than his father.
Is stated that Gohan is the only halfling who have more potential than a pure Saiyan. Why the halfling Saiyan Goten ( or even Trunks ) not have the same potential than his brother halfing Saiyan Gohan? Because Gohan is an special being like Kakarotto.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
That's the impression I got from GT. The more important you are, the stronger you are. Goku obviously being the strongest, with Vegeta in second. Pan arguably at third, with Majuub close.
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Which is why I disregard contradictions like Oozaru > SS4 > Oozaru, or base Goku >>> Cell.MDSTSSJ wrote:DB GT contradicts the Manga in some or many ways so these DB GT contradictions are debatable to me.
How do you know that Pan and her descendants, as well as Vegeta's descendants until Vegeta Jr., never transformed into Super Saiyans? The fact that both Goku Jr. & Vegeta Jr. could transform so easily implies that everyone before them could transform, if they were fighters.MDSTSSJ wrote:It took 100 years for a Kakarotto's descendant could transform into SSJ. That does not tell me much about a great potential even to surpass Goku and Co.
Other than the fact that he is even more special than Goku? Goku was never born special, he became special through hard work. Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Goku Jr., and Vegeta Jr. on the other hand were born special, and if they were to train like Goku does, they would become even more special.MDSTSSJ wrote:Although Goku Jr can transforms in to SSJ does not mean he can surpass Goku and Co.
Since Goku was born with a BP 1, and Bardock was almost 10.000, the only logical conclusion is that they are talking about dormant power.MDSTSSJ wrote:One thing is inherit his father's strength and the other is to have an even greater potential than his father.
It's obvious that Goten & Trunks also have more dormant power than the full-blooded Saiyans from their huge strength. As kids, they were stronger than their fathers' were 7 years ago, and they are called super-prodigies. They are even more special than Goku & Vegeta.MDSTSSJ wrote:Is stated that Gohan is the only halfling who have more potential than a pure Saiyan. Why the halfling Saiyan Goten ( or even Trunks ) not have the same potential than his brother halfing Saiyan Gohan? Because Gohan is an special being like Kakarotto.
... So, Pan is far stronger than SS3 Goku?! And SS2 Vegeta is also far stronger than SS3 Goku?!Bierhoff wrote:That's the impression I got from GT. The more important you are, the stronger you are. Goku obviously being the strongest, with Vegeta in second. Pan arguably at third, with Majuub close.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Vegeta was SSJ4 at the end of GT, so I consider that his strongest form, regardless of what SSJ2 > SSJ4 enthusiasts say. SSJ3 Goku is still stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta and Majuub, aswell.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: ... So, Pan is far stronger than SS3 Goku?! And SS2 Vegeta is also far stronger than SS3 Goku?!
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Super Oob could fight Super Baby 2, while SS3 Goku couldn't do shit not only against Super Baby 2, but not even against Vegeta-Baby. Super Oob is much stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.Bierhoff wrote:Vegeta was SSJ4 at the end of GT, so I consider that his strongest form, regardless of what SSJ2 > SSJ4 enthusiasts say. SSJ3 Goku is still stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta and Majuub, aswell.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: ... So, Pan is far stronger than SS3 Goku?! And SS2 Vegeta is also far stronger than SS3 Goku?!
Pan on the other hand is only stronger than Dr. Gero, and some Evil Dragons that are child's play for base Goku, who is much stronger than Pan, since she could only beat the weakest of the Mega Cannon Σ only with a rage boost, while Goku could beat the rest of them while they were merged without using his full power in base.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Because we have 0 evidence of that AND do we have evidence only for Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr. And the fact that both Goku Jr. & Vegeta Jr. could transform doesn't mean that everyone before them could transform too, being fighters or not. That's the way I see itDBZGTKOSDH wrote:
How do you know that Pan and her descendants, as well as Vegeta's descendants until Vegeta Jr., never transformed into Super Saiyans? The fact that both Goku Jr. & Vegeta Jr. could transform so easily implies that everyone before them could transform, if they were fighters.
Yes, they born special but we don't know how far they can go as to say that they can surpass his ancestors.Other than the fact that he is even more special than Goku? Goku was never born special, he became special through hard work. Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Goku Jr., and Vegeta Jr. on the other hand were born special, and if they were to train like Goku does, they would become even more special.
For me, the obvious things in DB doesn't work as a total fact but for me the obvious things in DB are debatable.It's obvious that Goten & Trunks also have more dormant power than the full-blooded Saiyans from their huge strength. As kids, they were stronger than their fathers' were 7 years ago, and they are called super-prodigies. They are even more special than Goku & Vegeta.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Didn't look to me that SBV2 struggled that much against Oob. Pan is not only stronger than Dr. Gero, she's also pretty close to the top 3 strongest Shadow Dragons, based on her confidence and Goku's statements about her.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Super Oob could fight Super Baby 2, while SS3 Goku couldn't do shit not only against Super Baby 2, but not even against Vegeta-Baby. Super Oob is much stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
Pan on the other hand is only stronger than Dr. Gero, and some Evil Dragons that are child's play for base Goku, who is much stronger than Pan, since she could only beat the weakest of the Mega Cannon Σ only with a rage boost, while Goku could beat the rest of them while they were merged without using his full power in base.
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Whereas Goku as a regular Super Saiyan was able to trade blows with Super 17, but the combined force of Uub, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks were one-hit-KO-fodder. Typical GT ad-hoc strength logic, which is more or less the same as Toriyamas, only without any explanations what-so-ever.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Super Oob could fight Super Baby 2,
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Oob could cause Baby some trouble, while Goku couldn't cause him any trouble at all.Bierhoff wrote:Didn't look to me that SBV2 struggled that much against Oob.
What statements, and what confidence?Bierhoff wrote:she's also pretty close to the top 3 strongest Shadow Dragons, based on her confidence and Goku's statements about her.
Super #17 was toying with SS Goku. And even against the other Z-Senshi, as soon as they powered up to Super Saiyan (2 for Gohan & Vegeta?) and Oob went full power, Super #17 used rapid-fire ki blasts on them, and SS(2?) Vegeta was already beaten up after that.Blade wrote:Whereas Goku as a regular Super Saiyan was able to trade blows with Super 17, but the combined force of Uub, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks were one-hit-KO-fodder. Typical GT ad-hoc strength logic, which is more or less the same as Toriyamas, only without any explanations what-so-ever.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Not that I don't agree, but Baby was definitely playing around with Oob up until the end.
Episode 33
Time: 10m5s
Context: Baby is holding back Oob's chocolate ray
Baby: "I'm through playing around now!"
Note: In the dub, Baby just says it's Oob's bedtime.
Episode 33
Time: 10m5s
Context: Baby is holding back Oob's chocolate ray
Baby: "I'm through playing around now!"
Note: In the dub, Baby just says it's Oob's bedtime.
CatouttaHell wrote:I guess he's just impossibly powerful and he now gets thrills from letting things go as much to hell as possible before busting out his ultimate power and ending the villain or some shit.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Even he was not faking it, I doubt the attack hurt him. BOG states Base Goku is weaker then 100% Freeza and I doubt Pan is around SSj level yet. I think Base Gohan, Goten and Trunks are still likely stronger then her.cesarcoronel07 wrote:I'm talking about GT Pan and yeah General Rildo could have been faking it, but she also attacked him a second time when Goku was fighting him.Saiga wrote:Really doubt it. Are you talking about the end of Z, or GT, by the way? Z filler has her beat up Goten but whether he was serious or not isn't certain. Either way she'd certainly be weaker than Gohan who still has the whole Ultimate schtick.
In GT, Goten mocks her for being weaker than him, which would make her weaker than Trunks and Gohan as well. Trunks does wonder at one point if she's stronger than him because she knocked down Rilld, but Rilld might've been faking it since he was completely fine after that. She was certainly weaker than Goten when she left Earth, and might've become stronger during the space adventures. She's never done anything to prove it, however.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
No, Pan is not stronger than Gohan, Goten and Trunks.
Perhaps she would give a decent fight against then in their base forms... But I still doubt she is stronger...
Perhaps she would give a decent fight against then in their base forms... But I still doubt she is stronger...
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
I'm aware of this, but SS3 Goku couldn't do anything to Vegeta-Baby, and of course, Super Baby, and Super Baby 2, while Oob could cause some trouble to a non-serious Super Baby 2.Nazi Cola wrote:Not that I don't agree, but Baby was definitely playing around with Oob up until the end.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
She shouldn't be stronger than Gohan... but on the other hand, Gohan shouldn't still be doing the "weak base/stronger Super Saiyan/maybe Super Saiyan 2 sometimes" thing like he did in the earlier Buu saga... he should have his "ultimate/mystic" form rather than trying to rely on the weaker Super Saiyan transformations that don't draw out all of his hidden power at once. So going by GT Logic, who knows? If we assume that GT Gohan is basically "post-Z Sword, pre-mystic Buu Saga Gohan" or something like that, then I guess Pan could be stronger than his base form.
She definitely seems like she should be stronger than (at least base) Goten and Trunks, though. I mean, being able to handle Dr. Gero easily without going Super Saiyan puts her at least on par with Android Saga Piccolo (pre-Kami fusion.) Where this puts her in relation to the other base Saiyans depends on how strong you have Piccolo at that point in the series. If you have Gero and/or Piccolo already above 100% Freeza at that point, then Pan pretty much has to be stronger than base Goten or Trunks, since I seriously doubt even the GT versions of them are stronger than base Goku was in Battle of Gods (who we know was still not even really close to 100% Freeza in his base form.)
She definitely seems like she should be stronger than (at least base) Goten and Trunks, though. I mean, being able to handle Dr. Gero easily without going Super Saiyan puts her at least on par with Android Saga Piccolo (pre-Kami fusion.) Where this puts her in relation to the other base Saiyans depends on how strong you have Piccolo at that point in the series. If you have Gero and/or Piccolo already above 100% Freeza at that point, then Pan pretty much has to be stronger than base Goten or Trunks, since I seriously doubt even the GT versions of them are stronger than base Goku was in Battle of Gods (who we know was still not even really close to 100% Freeza in his base form.)
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Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Well, I have Piccolo far below Freeza. There is nothing that puts him anywhere near the Super Saiyans. Kuririn was surprised that Piccolo could beat #20, who was supposedly the one that killed SS Vegeta & SS Gohan in the future, and was far stronger than SS Trunks, who was nearly as strong as SS Goku. However, it turned out that #19 & #20 weren't the ones that brought chaos in the future, and that these were weaker. And Piccolo's BP against Freeza was somewhere above 1.000.000, so logically after 5 years, he shouldn't be many dozens of times stronger, since no one achieved such a feat.Pantalones wrote:She definitely seems like she should be stronger than (at least base) Goten and Trunks, though. I mean, being able to handle Dr. Gero easily without going Super Saiyan puts her at least on par with Android Saga Piccolo (pre-Kami fusion.) Where this puts her in relation to the other base Saiyans depends on how strong you have Piccolo at that point in the series. If you have Gero and/or Piccolo already above 100% Freeza at that point, then Pan pretty much has to be stronger than base Goten or Trunks, since I seriously doubt even the GT versions of them are stronger than base Goku was in Battle of Gods (who we know was still not even really close to 100% Freeza in his base form.)
So, Pan being around Piccolo doesn't sound very strange to me. But even if Piccolo was as strong as Artificial Humans arc SS Goku, SS Goten & Trunks are far above him, so it doesn't mean anything. The only thing that puts Pan above SS Trunks is her punch on Rild, but Trunks' assumption that Pan surpassed him was based on the false conclusion that Pan had beaten Rild... which turned out that Rild was joking around.
So, except if I miss something, there is nothing that puts Pan above base Oob, Gohan, Goten, or Trunks.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
1. Everybody is a lot stronger in GT, this is not disproven once. Gero would not be the same level he was in Z.
2. Piccolo at the time was comparable to the SSjins, and the last SSjin Krillin saw was Vegeta, when he fought A19.
3. Pan knocked Rild on the ground, and he's comparable to Gohan-Boo. She also mocked, I do believe, either Eis or Nuova's speed. She also took a hit from SSJ4 Goku while being inside Naturon. She is very strong.
2. Piccolo at the time was comparable to the SSjins, and the last SSjin Krillin saw was Vegeta, when he fought A19.
3. Pan knocked Rild on the ground, and he's comparable to Gohan-Boo. She also mocked, I do believe, either Eis or Nuova's speed. She also took a hit from SSJ4 Goku while being inside Naturon. She is very strong.
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There is nothing that makes Dr. Gero stronger than he was, and there is no reason to assume this.Bierhoff wrote:1. Everybody is a lot stronger in GT, this is not disproven once. Gero would not be the same level he was in Z.
He wasn't. Kuririn was surprised that Piccolo, a non-Super Saiyan, could kick #20's ass, who is supposed to be the one that killed SS Vegeta & SS Gohan, and kicked SS Trunks' ass in the future. It turned out thatBierhoff wrote:2. Piccolo at the time was comparable to the SSjins, and the last SSjin Krillin saw was Vegeta, when he fought A19.
And it turned out that Rild was just playing.Bierhoff wrote:3. Pan knocked Rild on the ground
We can't know if Goku was talking about Gohan Boo (the strongest Boo), Pure Boo (the final evil Boo), Mr. Boo (the remaining Boo), or any other Boo. He just said "Majin Boo".Bierhoff wrote:he's comparable to Gohan-Boo.
Which episode? Which scene?Bierhoff wrote:She also mocked, I do believe, either Eis or Nuova's speed.
Do you really think that Goku would use all of his force on Pan? Mr. Satan also took a hit from Perfect Cell, Pure Boo, and Super Yi Xing Long, and none of his bones broke. By your logic, Mr. Satan should be around SS-tier in Cell Games, SS3-tier in Boo arc, and SS4-tier in GT.Bierhoff wrote:She also took a hit from SSJ4 Goku while being inside Naturon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is Pan stronger than Gohan, Goten, and Trunks?
Cell and Freeza was a lot stronger, so was all the humans that escaped HFIL. Nappa was stronger. Hell, Android 17 and 18 were stronger. Why wouldn't the doctor be stronger too?
The Zet-Senshi expected someone a lot stronger than Freeza, and Piccolo wouldn't come unprepared. It's likely he was stronger.
Even if Rild wasn't being serious, Trunks being impressed by Pan's attack proves that she was indeed strong. Also, when it comes to comparison to Majin Boo, always assume the strongest. Why would Goku talk about the inferior Boo forms?
As for the mocking part, I might be wrong. Although, at some point, something similar is being said, I am sure of it. I'll investigate it.
The Zet-Senshi expected someone a lot stronger than Freeza, and Piccolo wouldn't come unprepared. It's likely he was stronger.
Even if Rild wasn't being serious, Trunks being impressed by Pan's attack proves that she was indeed strong. Also, when it comes to comparison to Majin Boo, always assume the strongest. Why would Goku talk about the inferior Boo forms?
As for the mocking part, I might be wrong. Although, at some point, something similar is being said, I am sure of it. I'll investigate it.