The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:45 pm

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TheMightyOzaru wrote:1. Bulma Buu
2. Chaozu Cell.
But should't Chi Chi even the odds.
No. Chi Chi is only gonna add a BP less than 130 to him. Fat Buu is way stronger than Good Buu with a measly boost of 130.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:18 pm

Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:19 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
Determination doesn't mean much when someone can flick your head off with their finger.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:21 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
Gohan was determined in his fight with Rikim. Look how that ended. Same thing will happen to Videl if she looks at Chi Chi wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:22 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
Determination doesn't mean much when someone can flick your head off with their finger.
Is Chichi really THAT much stronger?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:23 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
Determination doesn't mean much when someone can flick your head off with their finger.
Is Chichi really THAT much stronger?
She was doing good against Goku. Muten Roshi said she was a good fighter. Videl is stronger than her daddy who is stronger than the average human. Muten and Goku aren't average human and Muten said Chi Chi was good. See the difference?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:29 pm

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Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
Determination doesn't mean much when someone can flick your head off with their finger.
Is Chichi really THAT much stronger?
V-Jump gives Chi-Chi a power level of 137 during the 23rd Budokai. That's practically the same as Roshi from the beginning of the series. Videl isn't all that much stronger than a regular Earthling, who has a power level of roughly 5.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Cursed Lemon » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:30 pm

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Cell is somewhere in the same general tier as Gohan. I think he's actually stronger than pre-Majin Vegeta.
I'm not sure why you feel this way.

Gohan obliterated Cell in a beam struggle with one arm and half of his power cut out.

Perhaps about Vegeta, if Vegeta hadn't reached SSJ2 without the possession.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:36 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Cell is somewhere in the same general tier as Gohan. I think he's actually stronger than pre-Majin Vegeta.
I'm not sure why you feel this way.

Gohan obliterated Cell in a beam struggle with one arm and half of his power cut out.

Perhaps about Vegeta, if Vegeta hadn't reached SSJ2 without the possession.
Cell easily crippled Gohan with a casual finger blast and was dominating the crap out of Gohan in that very short beam struggle until Gohan got a rage boost and Cell got distracted. The rage boost made it so that his power wasn't half anymore. Also, it was implied that even a rage boosted Gohan wouldn't have been able to take out Cell without the distraction.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:38 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
I swear this was asked not too long ago. Anyway Chi Chi massacres her. Chi Chi had a BP of 130 at the 23rd Budokai. I can't imagine her BP dropping below 60 over the years, which is still enough to cream Videl.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Cell is somewhere in the same general tier as Gohan. I think he's actually stronger than pre-Majin Vegeta.
I'm not sure why you feel this way.

Gohan obliterated Cell in a beam struggle with one arm and half of his power cut out.

Perhaps about Vegeta, if Vegeta hadn't reached SSJ2 without the possession.
That half power line could easily be an exaggeration. Besides we see Cell take out his arm with a small Ki blast. Sure, Gohan wasn't exactly on guard at the moment, but if he was truly a good deal stronger, he should have tanked that regardless. Gohan only won because A. Cell was distracted and B. Gohan got a small rage boost and unleashed as much power as he could. I honestly don't see why people use Gohan's using one arm as an excuse. How does that reduce the effectiveness of the Kamehameha?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:39 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
I swear this was asked not too long ago. Anyway Chi Chi massacres her. Chi Chi had a BP of 130 at the 23rd Budokai. I can't imagine her BP dropping below 60 over the years, which is still enough to cream Videl.
Going off topic here but why do you think Chichi would drop in power?
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Post by rereboy » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:41 pm

Getting older and lack of training most likely.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:41 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
I swear this was asked not too long ago. Anyway Chi Chi massacres her. Chi Chi had a BP of 130 at the 23rd Budokai. I can't imagine her BP dropping below 60 over the years, which is still enough to cream Videl.
I asked this about 4 months ago. How the hell could you remember that? Wait Kid Buu do you mean EOZ Chi Chi? If she then Videl wins. Chi Chi is old. Now if this was anything from Kid Chi Chi to Boo Arc Chi Chi then Chi Chi wins

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:43 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Chichi Vs. Videl.

I know most people think Chichi is stronger, but Videl is determined in fights. See the Spopivich fight for reference.
I swear this was asked not too long ago. Anyway Chi Chi massacres her. Chi Chi had a BP of 130 at the 23rd Budokai. I can't imagine her BP dropping below 60 over the years, which is still enough to cream Videl.
I asked this about 4 months ago. How the hell could you remember that? Wait Kid Buu do you mean EOZ Chi Chi? If she then Videl wins. Chi Chi is old. Now if this was anything from Kid Chi Chi to Boo Arc Chi Chi then Chi Chi wins
Chi-Chi was training Goten. I doubt she's that out of shape. And she's not that old.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:44 pm

eeeeehhhhh.... I still give this to old Chi Chi. I can't see her dropping below 30, even in GT.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:49 pm

I was referring to Chichi and Videl during the 25th Budokai timeline.

Don't think it was ever said Chichi stopped training, in fact its mentioned she sparred with Goten a few times.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:52 pm

If she did get stronger since the 23rd Budokai, then the smackdown is even harder.
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Post by rereboy » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:54 pm

Just because she decided to give Goten a few pointers because Goku was gone for good, it doesn't mean that she didn't neglect her training since the 23rd tournament all the way up to that point and from that point onward. Heck, even sparing with Gotean a bit probably didn't improve her much since Goten was too strong for her even at minimal effort.

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Post by Cursed Lemon » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:56 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Cell easily crippled Gohan with a casual finger blast and was dominating the crap out of Gohan in that very short beam struggle until Gohan got a rage boost and Cell got distracted. The rage boost made it so that his power wasn't half anymore. Also, it was implied that even a rage boosted Gohan wouldn't have been able to take out Cell without the distraction.
This "rage boost" thing is silly.

A person cannot draw more power than they actually have. That's just...logic.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:01 pm

Cursed Lemon wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Cell easily crippled Gohan with a casual finger blast and was dominating the crap out of Gohan in that very short beam struggle until Gohan got a rage boost and Cell got distracted. The rage boost made it so that his power wasn't half anymore. Also, it was implied that even a rage boosted Gohan wouldn't have been able to take out Cell without the distraction.
This "rage boost" thing is silly.

A person cannot draw more power than they actually have. That's just...logic.
He does have that power. It was just dormant, and didn't get drawn out permanently until the Buu Arc.
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