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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by The Monkey King » Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:58 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:SS Vegeta was faaaa~aaaaar from weak enough to destroy Earth, yet Big Bang Attack, his most powerful technique, couldn't destroy the Earth. Some techniques aren't made to destroy planets or solar systems.
Yeah, because the ki was condensed:
Big Bang Attack:

A ki wave which Vegeta fired at Artificial Human No. 19. This technique, which easily destroyed Artificial Human No. 19, could be called Super Saiyan Vegeta's version of the Gyarik-ho. However, the differences between it and the Gyarik-ho are the ki's shape and firing method. First, he sticks one hand out in front, then emits a ki blast from the palm of that hand. This ki is condensed down into one big lump and can deal heavy damage inside a specific range. This is in contrast with the Gyarik-ho, which attacks a wide range. After the Big Bang Attack was fired, the ground around where Artificial Human No. 19 stood was completely wiped out, as if it had been dug away. Such effectiveness made it Vegeta's strongest attack at the time.
I don't see what point your trying to make here. Vegeta's big bang attack has the condensed ki of multiple planet busters.

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:06 pm

My money is on One Punch Man. I can bet safely that he'll give Goku some trouble.

Naruto characters are getting there. Doujutsu is definitely something to be reckoned with. No telling what a Mangekyo Sharingan can do to a Saiyan's mind.
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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:10 pm

DarkPrince_92 wrote:My money is on One Punch Man. I can bet safely that he'll give Goku some trouble.

Naruto characters are getting there. Doujutsu is definitely something to be reckoned with. No telling what a Mangekyo Sharingan can do to a Saiyan's mind.
I always say One Punch as a gag manga, kinda like Squirrel Girl from Marvel.

The whole Genjutsu thing on Saiyans is a 50/50 for me. If Goku got caught off guard, then yeah I can see it getting him but if hes focused and watching for any sort of weird tricks by the enemy, I dont think hed let them pull it off. Besides, we have seen he can fight without seeing. Goku could one punch nearly anyone in Naruto anyway right?
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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by The Monkey King » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:18 pm

DarkPrince_92 wrote:My money is on One Punch Man. I can bet safely that he'll give Goku some trouble.

Naruto characters are getting there. Doujutsu is definitely something to be reckoned with. No telling what a Mangekyo Sharingan can do to a Saiyan's mind.
Genjitsu only work on beings with a chakra system, DBZ characters don't have those.
One-Punch man sounds like a 'No-Limits Falacy' has he one shotted being who can tank moon/planet busters?
Could he beat Galactus with one punch?

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:24 pm

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DarkPrince_92 wrote:My money is on One Punch Man. I can bet safely that he'll give Goku some trouble.

Naruto characters are getting there. Doujutsu is definitely something to be reckoned with. No telling what a Mangekyo Sharingan can do to a Saiyan's mind.
Genjitsu only work on beings with a chakra system, DBZ characters don't have those.
One-Punch man sounds like a 'No-Limits Falacy' has he one shotted being who can tank moon/planet busters?
Could he beat Galactus with one punch?
If Genjutsu is nullified on DBZ characters, than the Naruto universe is thoroughly screwed.

In terms of physical strength, speed, and durability, DBZ has Naruto trumped across the board. Genjutsu was their only ace in the hole and if you need Chakra for it to work on you, then that VS match is over.
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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by rereboy » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:26 pm

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DarkPrince_92 wrote:My money is on One Punch Man. I can bet safely that he'll give Goku some trouble.

Naruto characters are getting there. Doujutsu is definitely something to be reckoned with. No telling what a Mangekyo Sharingan can do to a Saiyan's mind.
Genjitsu only work on beings with a chakra system, DBZ characters don't have those.
One-Punch man sounds like a 'No-Limits Falacy' has he one shotted being who can tank moon/planet busters?
Could he beat Galactus with one punch?
We don't know. Here's one of his most impressive feats:
Onepunch-man hasn't actually done anything regarding fighting that looked that he had a hard time doing it. He does everything casually. We have no idea what kind of limits he has.
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Post by Mewzard » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:32 pm

Well, One-Punch Man is getting less Gag-Manga-y as time goes on. Kinda like how Dragon Ball got more serious as time went on. He's still an amazingly strong hero.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure characters got some insane abilities as time went on, so I'd love to see how Goku would handle fighting
Saint Seiya's nice about feats since we get a lot of direct statements:

Bronze Saints fight at around Mach 1 (normally, the main characters are an exception), their armors only freeze at -150C, covers the least amount of the body, etc.
Silver Saints fight at around Mach 2-5, their armors only freeze at -200C, average coverage of the body, etc.
Gold Saints fight at The Speed of Light (due to having properly awakened the Seventh Sense, the Sense of Cosmo), their armors only freeze at -273.15C/0K/Absolute Zero, covers most of the body, until fighting
The Bronzes hit God level once they're pushed to it,
Yet, Athena and her Cloth are even beyond that, given
And in Next Dimension, we see that Chronos, the God of Time, is even above that
Would love to see how Goku would fair on Toriko's World. Goku would totally see it as heaven, a realm of powerful monsters to fight and eat. Toriko and co still haven't entered Gourmet World, so I suppose that's when we'll start getting more DBZ esque stuff
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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by Kingsley » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:01 pm

Yamamoto from Bleach could probably roast Goku alive

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Re: Will other Anime/Manga characters ever surpass Goku?

Post by EXBadguy » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:12 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:SS Vegeta was faaaa~aaaaar from weak enough to destroy Earth, yet Big Bang Attack, his most powerful technique, couldn't destroy the Earth. Some techniques aren't made to destroy planets or solar systems.
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Kingsley wrote:Yamamoto from Bleach could probably roast Goku alive
Goku survived many flames than that, so nope. Even his Bankai won't do anything.
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Would love to see how Goku would fair on Toriko's World. Goku would totally see it as heaven, a realm of powerful monsters to fight and eat. Toriko and co still haven't entered Gourmet World, so I suppose that's when we'll start getting more DBZ esque stuff
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I heard from the creator of the series that Toriko would definitely be friends with Goku.
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Post by Mewzard » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:46 pm

That was filler. Filler feats don't count towards stuff like that. If it was so effortless for Vegeta to blow up a planet, he could have done it before Goku could have countered.

But yeah, I could see Goku and Toriko as friends. Just let them drag Komatsu to cook the food they catch, and it's all set. Having the rest of the Four Kings join in would be fun too though. Coco, Sunny, and Zebra.
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Post by Gonstead » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:44 pm

Kenpachi would sure as hell love the fight.

Where do you think an unrestrained Kenpachi ranks?
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:58 pm

Gonstead wrote:Kenpachi would sure as hell love the fight.

Where do you think an unrestrained Kenpachi ranks?
Hard to say. Kenpachi using two hands when fighting nearly cleaved the 5th Espada in half when it was in its Resurrection form.

Before fighting Juha Bach, Kenpachi killed 3-4 Sternritter which are apparently Captain Class enemies if not higher.

Now Kenpachi has assumingly unlocked all his strength and possibly his Shikai and Bankai after his duel with Unohana (which kinda ripped off the whole Saiyan Zenkai thing).

Going off what we have seen and pairing that with a possible Shikai and Bankai, id say Kenpachi would be Saiyan saga level, maybe a equal for Nappa.
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Post by The Monkey King » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:06 am

Gonstead wrote:Kenpachi would sure as hell love the fight.

Where do you think an unrestrained Kenpachi ranks?
Before, maybe King Piccolo level.
Now, I'm speculating a huge increase of power with his bankai so maybe BoZ level.

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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:13 am

Mewzard wrote:Well, One-Punch Man is getting less Gag-Manga-y as time goes on. Kinda like how Dragon Ball got more serious as time went on. He's still an amazingly strong hero.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure characters got some insane abilities as time went on, so I'd love to see how Goku would handle fighting
For a lot of later Jojo, you wonder if Goku's ki manipulation gives him any defense against the stands with physical effects. Whereas I'm curious how instant transmission would work against the metaphysicals, namely if for that moment Goku would physically leave the area, thus leaving no body for a time stopper like Dio to hit and no target whose actions you can reverse. It's not much, but if Goku can attack out of it it's the best he's got.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:49 am

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Gonstead wrote:Kenpachi would sure as hell love the fight.

Where do you think an unrestrained Kenpachi ranks?
Before, maybe King Piccolo level.
Now, I'm speculating a huge increase of power with his bankai so maybe BoZ level.
Kenpachi feats,

Cutting a building roughly the size of a skyscraper in half with one swing
Kenpachi unfazed after being impaled by a series of blades
Kenpachi defeating Tosen while under Tosen's Bankai that removes the ability to sense energy, see, smell, and hear.
Kenpachi blocking Nnoitora's attack bare handed
Kenpachi also blocking Nnoitora's Cero bare handed
Kenpachi killing Nnoitora with Kendo
Kenpachi casually cleaving a roughly 10-12 foot thick piece of rubble in half
Kenpachi cleaving Giriko down the middle with one blow, who possessed the Time Tells No Lies ability which caused enemies to burn in the flames of time after a set amount of time passed.
Kenpachi with 3 dead Sternritter, who are assumingly Captain level.

This is all before his fight with Unohana and before the possible Shikai and Bankai. Pairing this with that possibility, id say Kenpachi possibly equaling Nappa doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
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Post by hulkty » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:04 am

Yeah. Yugi. Activate Mirror Force. I win.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:12 am

No one from Naruto, Bleach, or OP can beat even Saiyan saga Vegeta.
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Post by Black_Liger » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:14 am

Pfff, all those feats? Goku has Chichi for a wife. that alone is more suffering than any freaking genjutsu or pawnch could put him in XD (love chichi btw) XD
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Post by SaiyanZ » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:42 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Tenchi Muyo
Saint Seiya
Gurren Lagann
Gunbuster/Diebuster
Space Runaway Ideon
Umineko series
Digimon
Pokemon
Bastard!!
Haruhi Suzumiya series
Noein
Sailor Moon (manga)
Ah My Goddess
Bokurano
Heroic Age
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Kara no Kyoukai
Serial Experiments Lain
Slayers
Lost Universe
Puella Magi Madoka Magica
Ronin Warriors
Saiyuki
Shaman King
Shingu Secret of the Stellar Wars
Sora no Otoshimono
ToAru Majutsu no Index

All have stronger characters (or at least characters that could beat him in a fight by using cheap techniques).

Of course a lot of those series are not as good or entertaining as DBZ.
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Post by SaiyanZ » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:45 am

Also in Toriko, Jirou used his Knocking on the Earth and almost stopped its rotation. So Toriko is approaching DBZ levels as well, they're Saiyan saga level imo at max
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