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Post by dario03 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:26 pm

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TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Please tell me THIS is Cold actually reaching 16's level of power, and that he didn't actually just jump further beyond that realm of power. It really makes him look stupid if he died at the hands of Trunks while holding back on power that starts to tap into Cell's territory.
I already thought it was stupid before....if he get's stronger it just gets even worse.
I'm just waiting for him to reveal that he has a ultra buff version of a 7th form that puts him above SS3 Vegetto :lol:

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Post by Marco Polo » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:31 pm

Wow, I had forgotten how creepy King Cold looks with big dark lips. His current design is much better.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:49 am

I'm going to assume U18 Cold couldn't transform and this Cold started training and can now transform.

Bardock should use Gr2 so they can have a buff guy fight.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:17 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:I'm going to assume U18 Cold couldn't transform and this Cold started training and can now transform.
This is Cold's original form, the form that he was born into. He transformed into the form he was in the manga to suppress his uncontrollable power. Same about Freeza. The training part comes for the form beyond that, which Coola has achieved.

The reason Cold didn't transform against Trunks was because Cold couldn't control his power, to the point that he could destroy a planet just by powering up. So, if he had used that power, he would have destroyed the Earth and the spaceship to return back to one of his planets.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:44 am

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miguelnuva1 wrote:I'm going to assume U18 Cold couldn't transform and this Cold started training and can now transform.
This is Cold's original form, the form that he was born into. He transformed into the form he was in the manga to suppress his uncontrollable power. Same about Freeza. The training part comes for the form beyond that, which Coola has achieved.

The reason Cold didn't transform against Trunks was because Cold couldn't control his power, to the point that he could destroy a planet just by powering up. So, if he had used that power, he would have destroyed the Earth and the spaceship to return back to one of his planets.
I always did enjoy that theory Young Jijii did for his AF doujin where when a member of Freeza's race is born, they enter a hibernation period and the longer they hibernate, the stronger they become.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Saiga » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:46 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The reason Cold didn't transform against Trunks was because Cold couldn't control his power, to the point that he could destroy a planet just by powering up. So, if he had used that power, he would have destroyed the Earth and the spaceship to return back to one of his planets.
Where was THAT said?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:52 am

Saiga wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The reason Cold didn't transform against Trunks was because Cold couldn't control his power, to the point that he could destroy a planet just by powering up. So, if he had used that power, he would have destroyed the Earth and the spaceship to return back to one of his planets.
Where was THAT said?
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Still, being on space without a spaceship, considering that Cold can survive in space, would be better than letting himself get killed by Trunks. But I've always had a problem with how they explained that. There should be another reason why Cold's original form is more powerful than his sons unlike in the original manga. If that's properly explained, then the reason for Cold to not transform agaisnt Trunks would continue to be the same as in the original manga: he is not stronger than Freeza so it wouldn't help him.

A simple explanation would be Cold having some sort of chronic decease in the main universe that, despite not being very debilitating, it would limit significantly his power, especially so in his original form. That could also be part of the explanation for why left the organization for Freeza in the main universe. In the universe of the Cold that we see in this fan comic however, the decease simply wouldn't have developed. That would explain things neatly.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:13 am

Even if Cold can survive in space, he won't be able to find his way to go back.

But hey, this was the best excuse I could think of for DBM. I don't like the fact that Cold is so strong since it contradicts the manga, and I don't believe he can transform in the manga.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:26 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Even if Cold can survive in space, he won't be able to find his way to go back.

But hey, this was the best excuse I could think of for DBM. I don't like the fact that Cold is so strong since it contradicts the manga, and I don't believe he can transform in the manga.
It could work, but DBM had Broly found his way to Earth through space, so Cold, who is actually able to survive in space, finding a livable planet nearby and then find another until he finds a spaceship doesn't seem that hard in DBM.

Not to mention that Freeza didn't seem that worried about that perspective when he tried to make Namek explode in the original manga.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:16 am

But Broli could sense energy, while Cold cannot.

But I guess that what Freeza had in his mind was that he would wait at the remains of Namek for his soldiers to come and check his condition after the planet's explosion and Freeza not showing any sign of life (which is exactly what happened eventually), so I guess that this is what Cold would have in his mind (and according to DBO, the soldiers did do a research, and assumed that Mr. Satan, the "strongest" man on Earth, killed Freeza & Cold, so they waited for Mr. Satan's death to attack Earth, only for them to be defeated by the real strongest guys on Earth).

So, since Cold doesn't have any excuse for not transforming, and since he is stated to be stronger than Freeza in DBM, while it is stated the opposite in the manga, it means that Salagir created a huge plot-hole.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:26 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But Broli could sense energy, while Cold cannot.

But I guess that what Freeza had in his mind was that he would wait at the remains of Namek for his soldiers to come and check his condition after the planet's explosion and Freeza not showing any sign of life (which is exactly what happened eventually), so I guess that this is what Cold would have in his mind (and according to DBO, the soldiers did do a research, and assumed that Mr. Satan, the "strongest" man on Earth, killed Freeza & Cold, so they waited for Mr. Satan's death to attack Earth, only for them to be defeated by the real strongest guys on Earth).

So, since Cold doesn't have any excuse for not transforming, and since he is stated to be stronger than Freeza in DBM, while it is stated the opposite in the manga, it means that Salagir created a huge plot-hole.
Broly being able to sense energy cuts the time he needs to travel in space but Cold doesn't need to be in such a hurry because he can survive in space unlike Broly. In fact, being able to survive in space should be way more useful in that situation.

Yes, DBM handled that explanation poorly.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:16 pm

rereboy wrote:Broly being able to sense energy cuts the time he needs to travel in space but Cold doesn't need to be in such a hurry because he can survive in space unlike Broly. In fact, being able to survive in space should be way more useful in that situation.
By sensing ki, Broli knew which direction he should go to head for Earth. But since Cold can't sense energy, he should only be able to randomly travel the universe, without any destination.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Zephyr » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:19 pm

rereboy wrote:The original quote from Piccolo just said that Cold's power was more similar to that of the androids than his sons but he wasn't really sure where to place him, he could be around #18, #17 or #16.
So, he could be even somewhat inferior to #18 and still fit with what Piccolo said.
This is, of course, hinging on Piccolo's miraculous ability to compare Cold's ki to that undetectable ki of the Androids.

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Post by rereboy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:19 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
rereboy wrote:Broly being able to sense energy cuts the time he needs to travel in space but Cold doesn't need to be in such a hurry because he can survive in space unlike Broly. In fact, being able to survive in space should be way more useful in that situation.
By sensing ki, Broli knew which direction he should go to head for Earth. But since Cold can't sense energy, he should only be able to randomly travel the universe, without any destination.
I know. But Cold, not needing to breathe, can probably survive in space for weeks, maybe months or more. Broly needs to breathe, like all Saiyans do, so without oxygen he wouldn't even survive hours.
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This is, of course, hinging on Piccolo's miraculous ability to compare Cold's ki to that undetectable ki of the Androids.
That's probably one of the reasons why he isn't sure where to put Cold. He knows that he is inferior to any of the Saiyans that came out from ROSAT and he knows he's much stronger than his sons, so he is estimating him to be around the powers of the androids, but he isn't sure where to exactly put him.

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Post by Godo » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:09 pm

rereboy wrote: Broly needs to breathe, like all Saiyans do, so without oxygen he wouldn't even survive hours.
I hope that we get a special that only consists of Broly slowly suffocating to death in space.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:27 pm

Godo wrote:
rereboy wrote: Broly needs to breathe, like all Saiyans do, so without oxygen he wouldn't even survive hours.
I hope that we get a special that only consists of Broly slowly suffocating to death in space.
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