Post-Freeza saga Vegeta

thatdbzguy · Post by **thatdbzguy** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:36 am

Vegeta's Saiyan/Freeza saga character usually gets praise for being a cunning, ruthless villain , but as for sagas after that, he seems to drop off of a lot of people's favorites list due to being "whiny, a burden, there only to move the plot along with his stupidity, self-obsessed. etc."

Did you still like Vegeta after the Freeza saga? I found that while he certainly did lose quite a bit of his cunning and devious nature, he was still really enjoyable, despite being pretty much a burden on the other characters.

He was an enjoyable dick, basically.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:53 am

I agree with what you've said. He lost some of his charm, and I still enjoyed and liked him. However, I don't think it would have been too hard for Toriyama to keep him the way he was, and would have really liked that.

Aside from scenes like him apologizing to Gohan, I mean. That shit's gold.

DoomieDoomie911 · Post by **DoomieDoomie911** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:37 am

I actually liked him more after the Freeza arc. There was a lot of character development there. I especially like it when he let himself be manipulated by Bobidi. It just shows how he was having a conflict within himself between who he was and what he became. Before the Freeza arc he was just a ruthless villian with a ton of pride. After that, he became more of a complex character.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:39 am

If anything, I think he devolved into being a "whiny, overconfident idiot" even as far as the Freeza Saga. I honestly felt his decision to provoke the already more powerful Freeza into transforming to his second form was even stupider than letting Cell become perfect.

Vice · Post by **Vice** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:47 pm

Sure do. Vegeta is easily in my top three along with Goku and Piccolo.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:15 pm

Yes. He reminds of a Heel that everyone loves. I mean sure he lost he battle plans. But didin't he only use those because he wasn't a SSJ? I mean I'm sure once he got SSj and SSj2 he became the most cocky bastard in the universe.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:42 pm

I loved how in the Android arc he didn't save Bulma & baby Trunks and when he killed the truck driver.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:28 pm

hleV wrote:I loved how in the Android arc he didn't save Bulma & baby Trunks and when he killed the truck driver.

Unless you go by the dub where the driver mysteriously survived

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:42 pm

You know, I've never actually minded his overconfidence against the Androids. He was raised with the mentality that the Super Saiyan was invincible, and if I were him I don't think I'd except a cyborg built in a cave with limited resources to be stronger.

But then he does the same shit against Cell, and just looks like a total idiot. Sigh.

Jackal puFF · Post by **Jackal puFF** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:57 am

I really liked Vegeta's interactions with Trunks. Always so cold and distant towards his own son. I thought that was pretty in character for him.

JamesOwnz · Post by **JamesOwnz** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:48 am

Yes, but it was hard to for a bit in Android/Cell.. ugh.

I really wish Toriyama didn't make Vegeta the ultimate jobber...*sigh*

Fionordequester · Post by **Fionordequester** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:38 am

He did definitely change after the Frieza arc, but...at the same time, it actually kind of feels like a natural progression of his character. I mean really, just think about all the things he went through in his fight against Frieza. I feel like throughout his life, he's had this sort of wildness and confidence, this sort of bloodlust, that allowed him to be the way he was throughout the Saiyan Saga...but then all of that was completely and utterly smashed as he was, at multiple points, made completely helpless and impotent against the person he's struggled his whole life to overcome. Not only that, but he was even forced to live through his childhood traumas yet again (you just know Frieza had to have abused Vegeta pretty harshly at some time or another as a child or something). And by being made so pathetic and helpless time and time again in that fight against Frieza, it forced Vegeta to realize that everything he did up until his fight with Frieza was basically all for nothing.

Combine that with the sheer torture that he was put through, and I always imagine Vegeta being sort of...shellshocked, for lack of a better word, to the point where he just sort of sits around and does nothing until Goku comes home. It wasn't the sort of experience he was just able to move on from the same way he moved on from his defeat at Goku's hands. This continues until finally, Frieza's family comes, he's forced into battle again, and then...some PUNK from out of nowhere comes and claims what he feels should've been his, to spit even more salt into his wound.

Now, at that point, Vegeta's fed up with all the sitting around he's been doing, and THAT'S when he starts recovering some of that same spirit he had last time. Only this time, now he's got all sorts of blows to his ego that he has to live down, and constantly feels as though he has something to prove, so he's much more rash and impulsive than he was in the Frieza Saga, where he more-or-less never had any doubts that he was in control.

At least, that's how I explain his behavior. Basically, what happened to Vegeta was similar to what Yami did to Seto Kaiba in the very first episode of the Anime. Vegeta was SO completely and thoroughly ground down by his experiences on Namek, that when he put himself back together, all the pieces weren't placed quite the way they were before, just like what happened to Seto Kaiba. And also, he was forced to question himself on the beliefs he's held for almost his whole life, since they started failing him every single time after the Frieza saga.

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:28 pm

Kid Buu wrote:You know, I've never actually minded his overconfidence against the Androids. He was raised with the mentality that the Super Saiyan was invincible, and if I were him I don't think I'd except a cyborg built in a cave with limited resourcesa box of scraps to be stronger.

FTFY

Polyphase Avatron · Post by **Polyphase Avatron** » Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:29 pm

Fionordequester wrote:He did definitely change after the Freeza arc, but...at the same time, it actually kind of feels like a natural progression of his character. I mean really, just think about all the things he went through in his fight against Freeza. I feel like throughout his life, he's had this sort of wildness and confidence, this sort of bloodlust, that allowed him to be the way he was throughout the Saiyan Saga...but then all of that was completely and utterly smashed as he was, at multiple points, made completely helpless and impotent against the person he's struggled his whole life to overcome. Not only that, but he was even forced to live through his childhood traumas yet again (you just know Freeza had to have abused Vegeta pretty harshly at some time or another as a child or something). And by being made so pathetic and helpless time and time again in that fight against Freeza, it forced Vegeta to realize that everything he did up until his fight with Freeza was basically all for nothing.

Combine that with the sheer torture that he was put through, and I always imagine Vegeta being sort of...shellshocked, for lack of a better word, to the point where he just sort of sits around and does nothing until Goku comes home. It wasn't the sort of experience he was just able to move on from the same way he moved on from his defeat at Goku's hands. This continues until finally, Freeza's family comes, he's forced into battle again, and then...some PUNK from out of nowhere comes and claims what he feels should've been his, to spit even more salt into his wound.

Now, at that point, Vegeta's fed up with all the sitting around he's been doing, and THAT'S when he starts recovering some of that same spirit he had last time. Only this time, now he's got all sorts of blows to his ego that he has to live down, and constantly feels as though he has something to prove, so he's much more rash and impulsive than he was in the Freeza Saga, where he more-or-less never had any doubts that he was in control.

At least, that's how I explain his behavior. Basically, what happened to Vegeta was similar to what Yami did to Seto Kaiba in the very first episode of the Anime. Vegeta was SO completely and thoroughly ground down by his experiences on Namek, that when he put himself back together, all the pieces weren't placed quite the way they were before, just like what happened to Seto Kaiba. And also, he was forced to question himself on the beliefs he's held for almost his whole life, since they started failing him every single time after the Freeza saga.

Luckily for Vegeta, though, the evil part of him didn't turn into a gay clown.

Fionordequester · Post by **Fionordequester** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:00 am

Luckily for Vegeta, though, the evil part of him didn't turn into a gay clown.

....

chongjasmine · Post by **chongjasmine** » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:07 am

I like Vegeta. He is one of my favourite character.
I like how he turned from being a cold-blooded murderer to a man who actually cares for his son.

Blu-ray_Mistress · Post by **Blu-ray_Mistress** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:34 pm

Vegeta has always been one of my favorite characters from the series, and I still enjoyed his character long after the Freeza Saga was over.

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