That scene made me really hate Goku
Re: That scene made me really hate Goku
Hating Goku for being cold blood in such a difficult time? Complain and do nothing is worse for the situation. Goku has more good than bad things and you can not hate him forever for his own personal decision.
For me, Goku made the right decision at that time, simple!
Kakarotto giving Cell the senzu bean was worse??? Oh no I think not, in the mind of a Saiya-jin no!!! Goku lives on Earth but he is an alien warrior who loves to fight and his mind still have Saiyan-jin pride.
For me, Goku made the right decision at that time, simple!
Kakarotto giving Cell the senzu bean was worse??? Oh no I think not, in the mind of a Saiya-jin no!!! Goku lives on Earth but he is an alien warrior who loves to fight and his mind still have Saiyan-jin pride.
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I get that and all, I really do...but it just doesn't sit right with me. I mean you can chalk up a lot of things to cultural differences (in this case genetic) but that doesn't really give it a free pass.MDSTSSJ wrote: Kakarotto giving Cell the senzu bean was worse??? Oh no I think not, in the mind of a Saiya-jin no!!! Goku lives on Earth but he is an alien warrior who loves to fight and his mind still have Saiyan-jin pride.
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Re: That scene made me really hate Goku
Yeah, I know what you mean and I agree with you but being a Saiyan-jin is a determining factor in fighting situations. Vegeta did something similar letting Cell attain the perfect form and maybe that is even worse!Insertclevername wrote:
I get that and all, I really do...but it just doesn't sit right with me. I mean you can chalk up a lot of things to cultural differences (in this case genetic) but that doesn't really give it a free pass.
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I find it hard to be genuinely angry at a man whose origin story includes massive head trauma leading to irreversible brain damage.
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Goku didn't really have the same attitude about death as them did he? He got to see his grandpa after his death, he brought back his friends and himself from the dead, and he lives in heaven!
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Sorry, i should mention that, in Cell saga, Piccolo yelled at Goku, that Gohan isn`t like him, and he realise his mistake, that not anyone want to fight, like him, and in Buu Saga, he force to train 7 and 8 year old, not knowing they like fight or not, especially later, when he said he could kill Buu,
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It doesn't matter if they liked it or not. If they didn't do it, then their families, their friends, their planet, the whole universe would be erased from existence, even the AfterLife would be destroyed. And it's not like he didn't know if they liked fighting. The fact that they were so strong in such a young age, and that they trained their asses to compete in the Tenkaichi Budokai means that they did like fighting.
And no, Goku killing Boo instead of forcing the kids to get stronger is not a good idea. Goku was supposed to stay dead, and by teaching them Fusion, he would had made a protector of Earth that is stronger than him, meaning that Earth would be more secured. What if Goku had stayed dead, and then an enemy stronger than Cell or even Boo had shown up? Two Super Saiyan 2s and two Super Saiyans wouldn't be enough. However, a Super Saiyan from Fusion would be a much better solution.
What Goku did was the best thing he could have done. The fact that Gotenks was stupid was the only flaw in his plan, be there was no way to predict that.
And no, Goku killing Boo instead of forcing the kids to get stronger is not a good idea. Goku was supposed to stay dead, and by teaching them Fusion, he would had made a protector of Earth that is stronger than him, meaning that Earth would be more secured. What if Goku had stayed dead, and then an enemy stronger than Cell or even Boo had shown up? Two Super Saiyan 2s and two Super Saiyans wouldn't be enough. However, a Super Saiyan from Fusion would be a much better solution.
What Goku did was the best thing he could have done. The fact that Gotenks was stupid was the only flaw in his plan, be there was no way to predict that.
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Re: That scene made me really hate Goku
Raditz. Grandpa Gohan. Basically everyone in Mirai Trunks' timeline.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:name me on character whom stayed dead?
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Was the farmer that Raditz killed ever brought back?Avenged wrote:Raditz. Grandpa Gohan. Basically everyone in Mirai Trunks' timeline.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:name me on character whom stayed dead?
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Maybe? They did make a wish to bring back everyone killed by the Saiyans so its possible the farmer got brought back since he was killed by Raditz, who was a Saiyan.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Was the farmer that Raditz killed ever brought back?Avenged wrote:Raditz. Grandpa Gohan. Basically everyone in Mirai Trunks' timeline.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:name me on character whom stayed dead?
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Actually, no such wish was ever made.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Maybe? They did make a wish to bring back everyone killed by the Saiyans so its possible the farmer got brought back since he was killed by Raditz, who was a Saiyan.
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The farmer appears in a lot of random anime scenes afterwards, though.
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The same goes for the city where Vegeta and Nappa landed.Gaffer Tape wrote:Actually, no such wish was ever made.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Maybe? They did make a wish to bring back everyone killed by the Saiyans so its possible the farmer got brought back since he was killed by Raditz, who was a Saiyan.
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They didn't make such a wish so.... R.I.P Farmer with a shotgunKentalSSJ6 wrote:Maybe? They did make a wish to bring back everyone killed by the Saiyans so its possible the farmer got brought back since he was killed by Raditz, who was a Saiyan.
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Re: That scene made me really hate Goku
The only scene I ever had made me dislike Goku was he gave a bit of his energy to Freeza. This guy nearly wiped out the Saiyan/Namekican race, killed countless lives including his best friend Krillin. Why after everything he has done would you show mercy on someone like that and give them a bit of your energy? Doesn't make sense.
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I remember when I was watching the dub on Toonami of the Cell saga, in that dub they had the next episode preview lines sometimes given by the characters (instead of the narrator), usually Goku, starting by saying "Hey it's Goku!" or something like that. Anyway he was saying how Krillin is hesitant to use the controller on 18, and then said "he's an old softy - like me!". At the time, I remember thinking "Yeah right, Goku, you've killed people!".
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It may have been sad that they died, but at the time, Goten and Trunks were the only ones left capable of avenging their deaths and saving the Earth, and they only had so much time in which to do it.coola wrote:Goten and Trunks just found out their family is dead, and what Goku do? Yell at them, and expect to train immediately, what a jerk! I know that Piccolo had same attidute for Gohan at the beginning, but, he was still a Demon King at that time.










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