Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by SupremeSSJ » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:19 pm

Kool dude. I think cell is 1 of the best arc behind the saiyan arc.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:52 pm

I love Stuido Cockpit's work. It was always distinct from Toriyama's style, but the overall quality of the art was on such a high level you have to appreciate it. There stuff throughout the Buu saga is a joy to look at.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:54 pm

Didnt Studio Cockpit do this as well? It seems very much along the lines of their work.

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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:55 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Didnt Studio Cockpit do this as well? It seems very much along the lines of their work.

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Well, that movie came out in 1992 and Studio Cockpit didn't start doing work until episode 174, which was in '93.
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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by kei17 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:42 am

jjgp1112 wrote:I love Stuido Cockpit's work. It was always distinct from Toriyama's style, but the overall quality of the art was on such a high level you have to appreciate it.
I don't really appreciate it, though. Its very '90s-esque looking shows signs of age, which isn't good for the Dragon Ball series. Being timeless is one of the important parts of Toriyama's art style.

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:45 am

The gif of Gokuu fighting Metal Coola is the key animation of Satou Masaki of Studio Junio, if I remember correctly.
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Post by kei17 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:10 am

JulieYBM wrote:The gif of Gokuu fighting Metal Coola is the key animation of Satou Masaki of Studio Junio, if I remember correctly.
No, it's not. He's not this good anyway.

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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:46 am

kei17 wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:The gif of Gokuu fighting Metal Coola is the key animation of Satou Masaki of Studio Junio, if I remember correctly.
No, it's not. He's not this good anyway.
Ah, I see. I tend to think of Satou as not being very good and I remembered he did a lot of key animation for this movie so I figured that he did the aforementioned gif.
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Post by NitroEX » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:00 am

kei17 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I love Stuido Cockpit's work. It was always distinct from Toriyama's style, but the overall quality of the art was on such a high level you have to appreciate it.
I don't really appreciate it, though. Its very '90s-esque looking shows signs of age, which isn't good for the Dragon Ball series. Being timeless is one of the important parts of Toriyama's art style.
:eh: If anything shows signs of age it's those horribly overly simplistic Last House episodes. The art style and animation mentioned in this thread is superb in my view and if anything keep the show looking more modern than it actually is. When I watch a Last House episode that's when I notice the show's age. Studio Cockpit might not mimic Toriyama's style exactly but that's one of the things I enjoy about it, it helps keep the show looking varied and interesting visually.

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Post by kei17 » Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:40 pm

NitroEX wrote: :eh: If anything shows signs of age it's those horribly overly simplistic Last House episodes. The art style and animation mentioned in this thread is superb in my view and if anything keep the show looking more modern than it actually is. When I watch a Last House episode that's when I notice the show's age. Studio Cockpit might not mimic Toriyama's style exactly but that's one of the things I enjoy about it, it helps keep the show looking varied and interesting visually.
Uchiyama is just bad. Timelessly bad. But it's not that his art style belongs to a trend of a certain time. On the other hand, Masunaga's style is very, very '90s-esque that you can immediately notice that it's drawn in the '90s by taking a glance at it, which greatly bothers me. I too enjoy varieties of art styles, but he seems to have gone a little too far. It's like he had his own way and didn't care Toriyama's original art from the beginning. As I've already stated, even Uchiyama tried to follow Toriyama's style though he barely had a talent for it.

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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by Vice » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:15 pm

Studio Cockpit episodes are my absolute favorites. Every episode they did were exceptional, I just wish we had gotten more of them.

kei17 is doing an awful job of trolling.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:25 pm

Vice wrote:Studio Cockpit episodes are my absolute favorites. Every episode they did were exceptional, I just wish we had gotten more of them.

kei17 is doing an awful job of trolling.
That's not fair. Kei has a point, I don't agree with that point, but he's still making a valid argument that Masunaga Keisuke's guidance did not exactly adhere to Toriyama Akira's style.

It's a shame Iwane Masa'aki has yet to return to Dragon Ball. He's essentially written the book on fight scenes for Pocket Monster, so I'd love to see him do a solo work for Dragon Ball.
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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:33 pm

When did an acceptable definition of trolling become, "Saying things I don't agree with"? I don't agree with kei17 on this point. I think Studio Cockpit did a great job, and considering this was the point where Toriyama's art work was getting sloppier by the week, I can't exactly say deviating from it was a bad thing. Sadly, overall, the Boo arc looked much better in the anime than it did in the manga. But kei17 certainly has a valid and reasonable opinion.
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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by Vice » Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:39 pm

Jesus, I was being sarcastic.

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Post by Storm » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:20 am

You should know after spending long enough on the internet that sarcasm is not well detected through text alone.

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Post by Metalwario64 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:31 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:When did an acceptable definition of trolling become, "Saying things I don't agree with"?
I thought it's been that for a long while I thought.

Such an overused term. I guess it's the new "epic".
Gaffer Tape wrote:Sadly, overall, the Boo arc looked much better in the anime than it did in the manga.
I agree with this. I thought the Boo arc in the manga looked a bit too pointy and rushed. Yamamuro's art looked much better than Toriyama's at that point to me.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:05 pm

Yeah, Toriyama was definitely no longer caring during the Majin Boo arc. The rushed nature of the fights is proof enough of that. Shindou Pro, Kino Production, K-Production, and Studio Cockpit were really doing some interesting work, though. The Vegetto episodes made for great screen capture fodder, barring Uchiyama's episode. It is a shame Studio Cockpit couldn't get in on Gokuu versus Majin Vegeta, though. If only there had been time and budget for a big all-fighting episode. I believe episode Dragon Ball Z episode #230 (22 June 1994) covered Dragon Ball chapter #456 (14 February 1994). Chapter #473 was published around 20 June 1994 so that is only seventeen chapters behind the comic at that point, meaning taking the time to do a bigger episode probably wouldn't have been possible with the usual Studio Cockpit staff alone.
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Post by Storm » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:24 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I agree with this. I thought the Boo arc in the manga looked a bit too pointy and rushed. Yamamuro's art looked much better than Toriyama's at that point to me.
Mr. Satan's head is really big in the manga during the Buu arc too, for some reason.

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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:39 am

It's not just his head. His body gets a lot smaller too. That's never really bothered me, though. I think Toriyama decided a tiny, wiry-looking guy looked better in the slapstick comedy than the huge, stiff, muscle-bound guy he was before. And I happen to agree with that. But his sudden physical transformation is rather jarring, to say the least.
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Re: Are Goku's fingers broken or just messy drawing?

Post by Blu-ray_Mistress » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:21 pm

ShinGaijin wrote:I think it's this scene :

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Huumm :lol: , but, yes, it's probably messy drawing, and nothing else.
Never noticed that before. His fingers are drawn rather awkwardly and do appear broken, not surprising he did take quite the beating from the Cell Junior's and in the process could have gotten his fingers broke.

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