Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well, I don't like doing that. I'm criticizing Dragon Ball Multiverse in general right now, not the main part only.

But still, my main problem aren't the specials. It's the main story that isn't interesting (but the fights are still cool) to me anymore, plus some weird things I disagree with: I'm fine with the Artificial Humans getting weaker over time if they don't do a check up, or with Majin Boo having consumed completely the Kaioshins, or with changing the anime/movie characters/events & ignoring the guidebooks. However, I'm not fine with Cold transforming & getting that strong, and I'm not fine with U16 & U18 Goten, Trunks, and Gotenks thinking exactly the same things (this fight was the worst & dumbest part of the whole comic for me, the only nice part was the art). But it still have more good ideas than bad ideas.

If I were to rate DBM, I would give it 7.8/10.

[Saiga]

That's pretty generous. For me, it'd be something more like a 4 or a 5.

[Hellspawn28]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing. I hate waiting for a few days for the next page and it ends up being total filler. Do a chapter a month to speed things up for once.

[rereboy]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing. I hate waiting for a few days for the next page and it ends up being total filler. Do a chapter a month to speed things up for once.

Impossible. This is not their job and a single page takes a lot of time. They could release a whole chapter per month, but then they would have to take a break of many months or fill many months with specials.

And, once again, like it has been discussed before, release schedule has nothing to do with the pacing of the story or the intrinsic quality of the manga. Its a whole other issue that depends on real world factors. (Btw, I don't see anyone saying that the quality of other fan manga like, for example, Who want to be a superhero is influenced by its release schedule, despite many having much less pages released per years, so I don't see why DBM should be).

[Fionordequester]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing.

Actually, that's a good point. I understand why the production of this comic has to be so slow, but why does the STORY PROGESSION have to be so slow as well? How does one get more time to draw art...by setting aside time to draw art of something unrelated? If anything, I would think the specials would make things slower. Or is that the reason that we have multiple artists on this story?

[rereboy]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing.

Actually, that's a good point. I understand why the production of this comic has to be so slow, but why does the STORY PROGESSION have to be so slow as well? How does one get more time to draw art...by setting aside time to draw art of something unrelated? If anything, I would think the specials would make things slower. Or is that the reason that we have multiple artists on this story?

Er... The specials are NEVER drawn by the artists who do the main story. While the specials are being released, the artist for the main story is working on the next chapter. If there weren't specials, there simply wouldn't be new pages until the artist of the main story had done enough to start releasing them. So... What are you talking about?

Like I said before, the specials are merely filler meant to give us something instead of a full break, they are glorified mini-comics.

[TheGmGoken]

To be fair rereboy Dragonball New Age(Malik_DBNA) has great art in fact better than most DBM artist(Obviously not Asura or Gogeta Jr) and the pacing is MUCH MUCH Better. Hell it's not his job either.

[Fionordequester]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing.

Actually, that's a good point. I understand why the production of this comic has to be so slow, but why does the STORY PROGESSION have to be so slow as well? How does one get more time to draw art...by setting aside time to draw art of something unrelated? If anything, I would think the specials would make things slower. Or is that the reason that we have multiple artists on this story?

Er... The specials are NEVER drawn by the artists who do the main story. While the specials are being released, the artist for the main story is working on the next chapter. If there weren't specials, there simply wouldn't be new pages until the artist of the main story had done enough to start releasing them. So... What are you talking about?

I see. Then what's changed between then and now to make it so that we aren't able to consistently have 3 pages of storyline per week? Or was this manga even slower back then than it is today?

[rereboy]

To be fair rereboy Dragonball New Age(Malik_DBNA) has great art in fact better than most DBM artist(Obviously not Asura or Gogeta Jr) and the pacing is MUCH MUCH Better. Hell it's not his job either.

Its not the artists of the specials that need that much time. Its the artists of the main story. And, like you can imagine, people have different rhythms of work and different availability. I have no idea what kind of availability and rhythm of work Malik_DBNA has, I can only assure you than the main artists for the main story require the amount of time that the specials give them to work on the main story and live their normal life. Otherwise, breaks of about the same length would be required.

[Fionordequester]

To be fair rereboy Dragonball New Age(Malik_DBNA) has great art in fact better than most DBM artist(Obviously not Asura or Gogeta Jr) and the pacing is MUCH MUCH Better. Hell it's not his job either.

Its not the artists of the specials that need that much time. Its the artists of the main story. And, like you can imagine, people have different rhythms of work and different availability. I have no idea what kind of availability and rhythm of work Malik_DBNA has, I can only assure you than the main artists for the main story require the amount of time that the specials give them to work on the main story and live their normal life. Otherwise, breaks of about the same length would be required.

So basically, life got in the way since this comic first began. Alright, I can deal with that. One question though. It seems that Salagir goes out of his way to have this available in all languages. That's not something that's getting in the way, is it?

[rereboy]

I see. Then what's changed between then and now to make it so that we aren't able to consistently have 3 pages of storyline per week? Or was this manga even slower back then than it is today?

In the beginning, Gogeta Jr either had a good amount of pages already done much in advance, so he was able to keep it up for a while, or he had much more time to work on it. Either way, it quickly caught up to him, and DBM actually had a few breaks. Thats when they decided to do specials by other artists instead of just breaks to give something to the readers instead of just breaks.

So basically, life got in the way since this comic first began. Alright, I can deal with that. One question though. It seems that Salagir goes out of his way to have this available in all languages. That's not something that's getting in the way, is it?

Of course not. He just writes the script and the translators translate it into the various languages, and then a team member inserts the text into the images. The artist just has to draw the balloons, he doesn't even have to worry about the text.

[Saiga]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing. I hate waiting for a few days for the next page and it ends up being total filler. Do a chapter a month to speed things up for once.

Impossible. This is not their job and a single page takes a lot of time. They could release a whole chapter per month, but then they would have to take a break of many months or fill many months with specials.

And, once again, like it has been discussed before, release schedule has nothing to do with the pacing of the story or the intrinsic quality of the manga. Its a whole other issue that depends on real world factors. (Btw, I don't see anyone saying that the quality of other fan manga like, for example, Who want to be a superhero is influenced by its release schedule, despite many having much less pages released per years, so I don't see why DBM should be).

Because Who wants to be a superhero? isn't actually damaged by it's release schedule, while DBM is. It's released less often, but it's in batches instead of one page at a time, and that simply works better. That's why it has a better release schedule. I found be fine with DBM releasing less often if it meant getting chapters in full, or at least enough pages so that punchlines and revelations aren't guessed before they're released.

[rereboy]

DBM went from 8/10 to 5/10 for me. They need to stop with the whole three pages week to improve of the placing. I hate waiting for a few days for the next page and it ends up being total filler. Do a chapter a month to speed things up for once.

Impossible. This is not their job and a single page takes a lot of time. They could release a whole chapter per month, but then they would have to take a break of many months or fill many months with specials.

And, once again, like it has been discussed before, release schedule has nothing to do with the pacing of the story or the intrinsic quality of the manga. Its a whole other issue that depends on real world factors. (Btw, I don't see anyone saying that the quality of other fan manga like, for example, Who want to be a superhero is influenced by its release schedule, despite many having much less pages released per years, so I don't see why DBM should be).

Because Who wants to be a superhero? isn't actually damaged by it's release schedule, while DBM is. It's released less often, but it's in batches instead of one page at a time, and that simply works better. That's why it has a better release schedule. I found be fine with DBM releasing less often if it meant getting chapters in full, or at least enough pages so that punchlines and revelations aren't guessed before they're released.

Its the same discussion again...

You do realize that if you only check out the fan manga every few months, you will see the pages in exactly the way you prefer, and meanwhile, the people who prefer to check out every page as it gets out, instead of waiting months for anything new, get to enjoy it that way. So, in this way, both kinds of people should be satisfied, instead of just one kind of people.

But its better to rate the manga lower just because the release schedule, something totally independent of its intrinsic quality by the way, than to realize that...? You follow the fan manga that way only because you want to, you could just as easily follow it in batches, you just choose not to, and you blame the fan manga for it...

If the release schedule annoyed me that bad, I would just follow it the way I prefer to follow it, and I would just wait for a decent amount of pages to be available before checking them out. I wouldn't keep following it like I was doing and complaining about it.

I would actually prefer that the author of Who wants to be a super hero released new stuff more often, even if it was just a one new page from time to time. But do you see me complaining about it? Rating his manga lower because I don't like that the release schedule takes that long? . No, because that would be ridiculous. His manga isn't suddenly inferior because its release schedule isn't the best. It would be same if it was released a single page at the time or it was released in full in one go. It would still be the same fan manga.

[Saiga]

It's the same discussion again because you're just as guilty as parroting yourself as the rest of us.

That argument of yours has already been shot down. To follow it in batches requires the reader to sacrifice the potential for conversation with other readers, as they're constantly behind them. Or they'd just get spoiled and their effort goes completely to waste. And even ignoring that point, you can't just keep blaming everything on the readers - Salagir is publishing in a format that hurts the delivery of punchlines and twists, and that's bad for the comics. It's not up to the readers to take steps to fix problems he create, and his choice of release is open to criticism.

And my rating? Was not taking the release schedule into account. I was just rating the comic as it was.

[rereboy]

It's the same discussion again because you're just as guilty as parroting yourself as the rest of us.

That argument of yours has already been shot down. To follow it in batches requires the reader to sacrifice the potential for conversation with other readers, as they're constantly behind them. Or they'd just get spoiled and their effort goes completely to waste. And even ignoring that point, you can't just keep blaming everything on the readers - Salagir is publishing in a format that hurts the delivery of punchlines and twists, and that's bad for the comics. It's not up to the readers to take steps to fix problems he create, and his choice of release is open to criticism.

And my rating? Was not taking the release schedule into account. I was just rating the comic as it was.

Did I say you were parroting or guilty? You stated your opinion, I stated mine. Simple. I'm just not very fond of repeating an argument. And something being shot down means that something had to be proven wrong. How can opinion be proven wrong? .

Anyway, like I said the last time this conversation came up, I stated that if I was that bothered by it, I wouldn't mind not engaging in conversations or following DBM topics unless I had just read the latest batch of pages until the newest one, and then I would participate in the discussion if I wanted. I don't see the point in giving priority to a more regular participation in the topics about the comic over the way I prefer to follow the comic. Doesn't make any sense to me. I would prefer to have a more irregular participation in the topics and read all the previous pages of the topics that I hadn't read yet (if I wanted) when I check out the latest pages, than to keep my regular participation and follow the comic in a way that bothers me. And my opinion hasn't changed. If you see sense in it, good for you, I'm just saying that I don't and that I don't agree.

Also, you are forgetting that if the release schedule was how you prefer, the people who enjoy receiving a few new pages per week would be forced to wait much more than they wanted. So, either way, there would be people displeased or "forced" to do something. I just happen to think that the current way is the one that allows less displeased people, because people who prefer to read many pages at once can choose to wait until there's a good number of pages (like they would have to wait if they were released that way) and "having" to keep a more irregular participation on the topics related to DBM doesn't seem to me like a "sacrifice" or something that would keep me or should keep anyone from following the manga the way they like... If you don't agree, whatever, it's cool. I just don't agree.

You see, I'm not saying that this release schedule is RIGHT and that that release schedule is WRONG or the other way around. I'm merely saying that each has advantages and disadvantages depending on opinion. What I'm really saying is that it would be good if everyone actually was aware of that before starting going on about the release schedule and making it sound like DBM has made the obvious wrong choice or something like that. Perhaps its just wrong to certain preferences...

As for your rating? Good. It makes no sense for the release schedule to influence it.

Overall, I just think its interesting and at the same time annoying how the most common stated flaws about DBM are the release schedule and the specials, when those shouldn't even be considered to determine or influence the determination of the quality of DBM as a fan manga, in my opinion.

[Saiga]

Well, saying it's the same discussion and including an eyeroll emote does make it sound like you're critical of it going down that route again. Otherwise, why include it?

And no, I say shot down meaning people have already disagreed with that argument and explained why, not that it was proven wrong.

I'm not sure that the current release does please the most people, because I see plenty of complaints about it. But I guess that could be a vocal minority effect.

[Fionordequester]

Perhaps. I do know that, going back and rereading the previous arcs that I previously followed chapter by chapter, I actually DID feel like the comic was every bit as humorous and exciting as the beginning, specials aside and everything. I think all of us, whether we're fans of this pace or not, should go ahead and reread some of those arcs once a bit of time has passed. Those arcs had an entirely different feel to me when I did that just today! What do you think?

[TheGmGoken]

I did that 4 Times. Still think most is below average. Still hate pacing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Its not the artists of the specials that need that much time. Its the artists of the main story.

But we no longer have an artist of the main story that needs breaks, because we have a different artist per-chapter now. The specials aren't needed at this point.

[KentalSSJ6]

Its not the artists of the specials that need that much time. Its the artists of the main story.

But we no longer have an artist of the main story that needs breaks, because we have a different artist per-chapter now. The specials aren't needed at this point.

I wouldent mind the specials as much if half of them werent poorly drawn. The Vegito's Heiress and Bojack specials come to mind at the top of my head. I actually enjoyed the Dr. Raichi and Vegito VS Buu specials due to how well they were drawn.

Do I think they need to lay off so many specials? Absolutely. We dont need to know how EVERY universe came to be. That goes without saying id enjoy a special on the universe with Kakarot, showing Vegeta obtaining Super Saiyan and killing Freeza, things like that I enjoy. I dont care for specials that just show the heroes getting brutally murdered just for plot purposes.