Have you ever cheered for the villain during a fight?

[TheGmGoken]

The average hero to be honest. Not badass.

Not the average hero. The average hero is someone like Kuririn. They can take a beating but they couldn't have all of their limbs incapacitated but still defeat their arch nemesis. Goku goes the extra mile, that's badass. But I hope we can agree that the term is vague and there's no universally accepted definition of a badass.

Read the comment/post I made after that. Which I re-write that statement.

[samuraix123]

Does Bardock count as a villain? if so then I cheered for him. but if No, Then No. I'm a pro Hero guy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Does Bardock count as a villain? if so then I cheered for him. but if No, Then No. I'm a pro Hero guy.

Bardock is an anti-hero.

[ABED]

The average hero to be honest. Not badass.

Not the average hero. The average hero is someone like Kuririn. They can take a beating but they couldn't have all of their limbs incapacitated but still defeat their arch nemesis. Goku goes the extra mile, that's badass. But I hope we can agree that the term is vague and there's no universally accepted definition of a badass.

Read the comment/post I made after that. Which I re-write that statement.

You wrote a double negative, and I'm having a hard to making sense of it.

I completely disagree with your assessment of Superman and Man of Steel. Superman is as interesting as the writer(s) make him. Bruce Timm's take is almost as good as Batman.

I'm not sure if "most" people prefer Joker over Batman, but I hope that's not axiomatic for them that they prefer villains to heroes. I wonder what their reasons are.

And I never said that there's anything wrong in individual cases, but the trend is worrisome. Often times it's because the hero is cardboard and the villain has all the cool moments and lines.

Saying that act like the villains when many of them are the nicest people ever. They just might like the villains but have no great explanation like they see that others do.

I didn't say they act like the villains, I said the commenters wrote or said they found the villain relatable.

[Storm]

Villains get the cool one liners, the cool designs, the cool actors, and the cool plans. Sure, it'd be nice if there were enough cool heroes to balance that, but these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. So as it stands, I think it's understandable that there's a villain bias.

I'm kinda 50/50. It depends on the story for me. I don't think I lean one way or the other.

Does Bardock count as a villain? if so then I cheered for him. but if No, Then No. I'm a pro Hero guy.

Bardock is an anti-hero.

Bardock's pretty scummy, even for an antihero. If his opponent wasn't Freeza, he'd probably be a straight up villain. It's like the Breaking Bad example with Heisenberg vs. Neo-Nazis.

[ABED]

Villains get the cool one liners, the cool designs, the cool actors, and the cool plans. Sure, it'd be nice if there were enough cool heroes to balance that, but these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. So as it stands, I think it's undrerstandable that there's a villain bias.

Definitely agree, which is why I love a good intellectual hero who can turn the table on the villains. It's why I love Sherlock Holmes and Batman. It's also why Iove Goku, he's such a great fighter and can come up with clever/funny strategies during his fights on the fly. For instance, when Piccolo uses the Sokidan, or an attack similar to it, Goku runs away from it, but then turns the tables on him.

[Kid Buu]

Villains get the cool one liners, the cool designs, the cool actors, and the cool plans. Sure, it'd be nice if there were enough cool heroes to balance that, but these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. So as it stands, I think it's undrerstandable that there's a villain bias.

Definitely agree, which is why I love a good intellectual hero who can turn the table on the villains. It's why I love Sherlock Holmes and Batman. It's also why Iove Goku, he's such a great fighter and can come up with clever/funny strategies during his fights on the fly. For instance, when Piccolo uses the Sokidan, or an attack similar to it, Goku runs away from it, but then turns the tables on him.

The Sokidan is the move Yamcha used on Kami.

[ABED]

I know the sokidan is Yamcha's attack. Piccolo uses an attack at the tournament that's VERY similar.

[Kid Buu]

I don't recall, but I'll take your word for it.

[Tyro]

I know the sokidan is Yamcha's attack. Piccolo uses an attack at the tournament that's VERY similar.

Are you talking about the ki blast that chased Goku around the ring and eventually hit Piccolo's arm?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Not gonna lie, when I was younger, I really didn't like Vegeta. At all. Hated the character, so I can think of at least 2 battles where I wanted the villain to win, though this is sorta different because Vegeta was still considered a villain at this point. Still, these guys were villains, so:

1) Zarbon Vs Vegeta- Was so happy when Zarbon transformed and pulverized him in their previous battle. I assumed Zarbon would do the same in their next bout. I was very disappointed watching Vegeta cheap shot Zarbon and gaining the advantage. Once he finished him off, I no longer cared about watching the rest of the episode. Yes, I was a big fan of Zarbon back then!

2) Jheese Vs Vegeta- Ha, it's kinda funny how I thought Jheese had the advantage in this battle. I can actually recall him slamming Vegeta up against the wall, looking as if he was capable of overpowering Vegeta to some extent. Well, we already know what happened when Vegeta decided to get serious.

I quickly became a fan of Vegeta after watching him tussle with Freeza, which I thought was an impossible feat considering everything we heard about Freeza. I couldn't make up my mind at all.

[DBZAOTA482]

Bardock's pretty scummy, even for an antihero. If his opponent wasn't Freeza, he'd probably be a straight up villain. It's like the Breaking Bad example with Heisenberg vs. Neo-Nazis.

He's no worse than most Saiyans, though.

[Storm]

Saiyans are scumbags too, yes. Not sure what you're implying by pointing that out.

[ABED]

I know the sokidan is Yamcha's attack. Piccolo uses an attack at the tournament that's VERY similar.

Are you talking about the ki blast that chased Goku around the ring and eventually hit Piccolo's arm?

Yep that's the one, it's a sphere and it follows Piccolo's opponent. It's a similar attack. I just assumed everyone knew what I was referring to. If not, my bad.

[LeprikanGT]

Super Boo turning ChiChi into an egg; finally someone shut her up.

[Tyro]

I know the sokidan is Yamcha's attack. Piccolo uses an attack at the tournament that's VERY similar.

Are you talking about the ki blast that chased Goku around the ring and eventually hit Piccolo's arm?

Yep that's the one, it's a sphere and it follows Piccolo's opponent. It's a similar attack. I just assumed everyone knew what I was referring to. If not, my bad.

I wouldn't say that the attacks are too similar. The Sokidan is remotely controlled by Yamcha's arm movements. Piccolo's blast, and also Kuririn's blast from the same tournament, locked onto the opponent and chased without the user having to control it at all.

Homing Ki Blast
First Appearance: Chapter 189
People: Krillin, Piccolo
Special Characteristics: Sensing the opponent’s ki, it pursues them until it inflicts damage. It is also possible to fire two.

Sokidan [Turning Ki Bullet]
First Appearance: Chapter 175
Category: ki manipulation
People: Yamcha
Special Characteristics: A technique that Yamcha used at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai. His match opponent at the time was Kami, who had borrowed a human body. As you’d expect, with a god as his opponent Yamcha was at a disadvantage, but for once his technique was the strongest. First, he gathers a ball of ki above the palm of his hand, then throws this at his opponent. After that, he manipulates the ki ball with his hand, with his middle and index fingers outstretched. He is able to manipulate it by having it continue moving even after burrowing underground. He also uses it as a feint. (Daizenshuu 2, p.208/Daizenshuu 4, p.112)

[ABED]

Hence "similar" and not "same".

[MediaFanGirl93]

I remember when I was a little girl, I was cheering for Frieza when he beat up Vegeta. I mean, Vegeta was kind of an asshole who did terrible things and the fight was my guilty pleasure.

I cheered for Cell when he kept on smacking H-ercule around. Even Krillin admitted he was rooting for Cell.

I also cheered for Super Buu when he fought Gotenks, because Gotenks to me was incredibly annoying and a twerp who didn't deserve all the power he got. I would have drank a bverage and read a magazine too if I were in Super Buu's position.

[Tyro]

Hence "similar" and not "same".

I guess. Does that make the Makankosappo and Kamehameha similar because they're ki blasts you fire at your opponent?

[ABED]

Hence "similar" and not "same".

I guess. Does that make the Makankosappo and Kamehameha similar because they're ki blasts you fire at your opponent?

The two attacks I mentioned are a lot closer than the two you mentioned. Both were spheres that can follow their opponents. The big difference was that one was essentially a heat seeker, although that's debatable seeing as how I don't recall any the manga saying anything about what exactly the attack does, and another is controlled by the attacker.