Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Also, Goku seems faaaaaar too close to old King Piccolo, and Ten seems too close to Drum.

[ZombieVito]

Well Goku is officially at 180 and King Piccolo at 260 when young, it doesn't leave room for much in terms of gaps. Also the gap is bigger than the gap between Nappa and Piccolo, so...

What about making Drum 210?

Also, I always thought it did make him stronger, just like Slug.

[RandomGuy96]

Well Goku is officially at 180 and King Piccolo at 260 when young, it doesn't leave room for much in terms of gaps. Also the gap is bigger than the gap between Nappa and Piccolo, so...

What about making Drum 210?

Also, I always thought it did make him stronger, just like Slug.

Maybe don't give Goku a zenkai? Also, Nappa and Piccolo never really fought each other directly.

That might work better, if we also factor in physical attributes. I think 220 would work best for both Drum and old Piccolo if you are committed to his 260 number.

Well, Slug is apparently unique compared to other namekians (isn't that what the "Super Namek" title was for?). Even if you were to count this movie character, and even if you were to assume his giant form is the exact same as Piccolo's (IIRC, wasn't Slug's much bigger?), it probably still wouldn't match up here, since Slug's giant form was a big boost, making him stronger than SS Goku and Freeza.

[Draken]

I thought they flat out stated that the size actually didn't really do much for Piccolo? In fact it could actually be abused as a liability, as shown by Goku. And he could still fight and even lift Piccolo's foot.

[Kakashi]

The Daizenshuu battle powers are wrong

23rd Budokai Tenshinhan >> Piccolo Daimao

Piccolo Daimao and Goku being 160 makes more sense

Is it true Old Piccolo used 40% of his power vs Goku?

[RandomGuy96]

Oh god here we go again...

[ZombieVito]

Well I decided to leave Piccolo at 210 when old and bump Drum to 210 as well. I reduced by 5 BP Goku's PL after his zenkais.

I removed Piccolo's PL when he went giant.

What else needs work?

[Kakashi]

Well I decided to leave Piccolo at 210 when old and bump Drum to 210 as well. I reduced by 5 BP Goku's PL after his zenkais.

I removed Piccolo's PL when he went giant.

What else needs work?

23rd Tenshinhan >> Piccolo Daimao

[Draken]

Well I decided to leave Piccolo at 210 when old and bump Drum to 210 as well. I reduced by 5 BP Goku's PL after his zenkais.

I removed Piccolo's PL when he went giant.

What else needs work?

23rd Tenshinhan >> Piccolo Daimao

Becauseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee??????????????

You keep posting stuff like whatever you say is fact and we should believe it, but it doesn't work that way. Back up your posts with facts before everyone asks you for evidence.

[Herms]

Is it true Old Piccolo used 40% of his power vs Goku?

He says he still isn't even using half his power when kicking Goku's ass. 40% fits with that, but he could also be using 49.5%, or 1% for that matter.

Still, rounding up to an even 50%...

Kame-sennin's 139, and presumably Goku at the 22nd tournament would be at least that strong. So naturally old Piccolo must be somewhere well over 278.

But Tenshinhan's only 250 at the start of the Saiyan arc...

.......

The manga battle powers are wrong!

[RandomGuy96]

That's assuming everyone's at the very limit of their power while just standing around though.

[Herms]

That's assuming everyone's at the very limit of their power while just standing around though.

Yeah, and it's a pretty big assumption, given how hard they hit the "these guys change their battle power to suit the battle!" theme in the Saiyan arc. Heck, we know Piccolo is weighted in that scene where Bulma rattles off everyone's BP.

Still, making old Piccolo's "half power" line fit is kinda a nuisance no matter what you do.

[RandomGuy96]

That's assuming everyone's at the very limit of their power while just standing around though.

Yeah, and it's a pretty big assumption, given how hard they hit the "these guys change their battle power to suit the battle!" theme in the Saiyan arc. Heck, we know Piccolo is weighted in that scene where Bulma rattles off everyone's BP.

Still, making old Piccolo's "half power" line fit is kinda a nuisance no matter what you do.

I suppose you could just go with Weekly Jump's 910 number for 23rd Budokai Goku, ignore all the others, and just craft a whole BP list for pre-Raditz Dragon Ball from that number alone. Otherwise there's not a lot of space for Karin's "you've become many times greater", King Piccolo's "I wasn't even using half my power", et cetera.

[Herms]

Hmmm...I guess something like this?

Kame-sennin: 139
Goku (22nd TB) 140

Old Piccolo
--fighting Goku: 160
---Full power: 330

Young Piccolo: 360

Ma Junior: 900
Goku (23rd TB): 910

[RandomGuy96]

Something along those lines, yeah. I actually remember making a whole list like that a while back. I'll try to find it.

EDIT: Ah, here we go.

Spoiler:

21st Tournament Arc

Roshi (Heavily Suppressed)- 45
--True Power- 139
--MAX Power- 210
---MAX Power Kamehameha (x1.5)- 305
Goku- 50
--Ozaru- 500

Red Ribbon Army Arc

Korin- 190
Goku- 55
--Post-Korin training- 165
Bora- 46

Tao- 110
General Blue- 48

Grandpa Gohan- 150
Devilman- 130
Mummy- 90
That Vampire Guy- 50
Invisible Man- 56

Krillin- 85
Yamcha- 70

22nd Tournament/Tenshinhan Arc

Goku- 180
Roshi- 139
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95

Ten- 165
Crane Hermit- 120
Chiaotzu- 90

King Chappa- 70
Pamput- 20

King Piccolo Saga

Goku- 180
--"Match Level"- 120
--Post-God Water- 540
Tien- 165
Roshi- 139
Yajirobe- 130
Krillin- 105
Yamcha- 95

King Piccolo- 460
--Half Power- 230
--Young- 530
Drum- 217
Tambourine- 140
Cymbal- 105
Piano- 7

Kami- 700
Popo- 600

23rd Tournament

Goku- 910
--Weighted/Suppressed (vs Tenshinhan)- 610
Kami/Shen- 700
Ten- 580
Krillin- 350
Yamcha- 300
Yajirobe- 250
Chiaotzu- 185
Chi Chi- 130

Piccolo Junior- 890
Cyborg Tao- 440
Crane Hermit- 120

I managed to integrate Piccolo's "not even half my power", Karin's "many times greater", Tao's "many times the power"... but not Piccolo Junior's "many times greater", unfortunately. Even with this list, I could fit all 'official' numbers except for the ones given for Kami, King Piccolo, and kid Goku in that arc. In other words, Roshi's 180, Ten's 180, Goku's 180, Korin's 190, Tao's 110, Cyborg Tao's 210, Chi Chi's 130, and Crane Hermit's 120.

[Saiga]

I do wonder how many people use the half power thing for Daimao. I totally ignore it, but it'd probably work if I accepted Goku's 924/910 as his true power.

EDIT: Actually, wait, after seeing all that I'm not sure if it can fit. At the very least I'd have to contradict some of the battle powers in Jump, it seems.

[ZombieVito]

Raditz scouter never picked an increase after their initial 416 and 408 BP. I think those lines just got retconned.

[Kakashi]

BOZ Goku is 416. The Daizenshuu battle powers are wrong. I could of made DB power levels which would fit with DBZ

[Kakashi]

Goku is said to be "over 8,000" when he fought Nappa but how much? I say 8,200

[RandomGuy96]

BOZ Goku is 416. The Daizenshuu battle powers are wrong.

Uh huh. Sure buddy. By the way, that isn't even from the Daizenshuu.

Goku is said to be "over 8,000" when he fought Nappa but how much? I say 8,200

8,036. Or maybe 8,027. Or 8,019.

Anything small enough that the Daizenshuu doesn't even feel the need to mention it and just rounds it down to 8,000 for simplicity.