Why Hasn't This Been Brought Up Before? (Goku vs Animals)

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Why Hasn't This Been Brought Up Before? (Goku vs Animals)

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by Kaboom » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:43 pm

Anthropomorphic animals: Normally have tails.
Humans: Normally don't have tails.
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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by B » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:44 pm

Dragonball Evolution would have been the greatest piece of cinematic artistry if they had included a scene of a dog wearing a suit sitting at the president's desk in the oval office.
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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:19 pm

Kaboom wrote:Anthropomorphic animals: Normally have tails.
Humans: Normally don't have tails.
Son Goku: WTF is going on here~
To be fair Humans have a tail bone and some humans DO have tails
. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tail#Human_tails

So it could have been easily possible that Goku is either a human with a tail similar to a Monkey's(Seeing as Goku's hairy) or Goku is a crossbreed.

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:09 pm

A normal teenage girl of our world would be freaked out by someone having a tail like that person on the image and they do exist. On Dragon Ball someone like Goku is equally or even more unusual.

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:14 pm

rereboy wrote:A normal teenage girl of our world would be freaked out by someone having a tail like that person on the image and they do exist. On Dragon Ball someone like Goku is equally or even more unusual.
Well I know in real life people would be freaked out. I mean but it's Dragonball. Let's be fair. They have a dog as president/king and animals that are regular people. But here comes Goku with a tail and then all in sudden Goku is weird? Kinda dumb don't ya think? I mean I would't be shocked if there was crossbreed in the DB world.

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:17 pm

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rereboy wrote:A normal teenage girl of our world would be freaked out by someone having a tail like that person on the image and they do exist. On Dragon Ball someone like Goku is equally or even more unusual.
Well I know in real life people would be freaked out. I mean but it's Dragonball. Let's be fair. They have a dog as president/king and animals that are regular people. But here comes Goku with a tail and then all in sudden Goku is weird? Kinda dumb don't ya think? I mean I would't be shocked if there was crossbreed in the DB world.
You only think its dumb because from your perspective having talking animals and the like in the world is not normal. But for Bulma that's pretty normal. What is NOT normal for her is a kid with a fully functioning monkey tail.

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:19 pm

rereboy wrote:
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rereboy wrote:A normal teenage girl of our world would be freaked out by someone having a tail like that person on the image and they do exist. On Dragon Ball someone like Goku is equally or even more unusual.
Well I know in real life people would be freaked out. I mean but it's Dragonball. Let's be fair. They have a dog as president/king and animals that are regular people. But here comes Goku with a tail and then all in sudden Goku is weird? Kinda dumb don't ya think? I mean I would't be shocked if there was crossbreed in the DB world.
You only think its dumb because from your perspective having talking animals and the like in the world is not normal. But for Bulma that's pretty normal. What is NOT normal for her is a kid with a fully functioning monkey tail.
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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by Jackal puFF » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:29 pm

Well she was born into a world where Animal humanoids were perceived as normal. But yeah I guess it is a bit weird. No one seems to ever give Tien any attention just cause he has a third eye, but everyone goes crazy when they see that Goku has a tail hahaha.

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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by Fionordequester » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:23 pm

I don't know. Why do all the Marvel citizens go "Oh my goodness! It's Spider Man! We LOVE Spider Man!" when they see him swinging his way through a city, but then go "Oh my goodness! It's Cyclops! He's nothing but a pig sucking MUTANT, and they deserve to DIE!!!" when they see Cyclops blasting criminals with his laser eyes?
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Fionordequester wrote:I don't know. Why do all the Marvel citizens go "Oh my goodness! It's Spider Man! We LOVE Spider Man!" when they see him swinging his way through a city, but then go "Oh my goodness! It's Cyclops! He's nothing but a pig sucking MUTANT, and they deserve to DIE!!!" when they see Cyclops blasting criminals with his laser eyes?
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Re: Why Hasent This Been Brought Up Before?

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:39 pm

What? There are plenty of people who don't like/hate/distrust Spider-man in the marvel universe. Especially earlier on. Both he and the mutants became more popular in-universe over time.

Anyway, I did actually think this was really weird, planned on bringing it up when I covered it in the series. It's so bizarre that someone like Goku can be seen as bizarre when animal-humans, talking animals, talking dinosaurs, three-eyed people and the noseless are just fine.
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Re: Why Hasn't This Been Brought Up Before? (Goku vs Animals

Post by Fionordequester » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:42 pm

What? There are plenty of people who don't like/hate/distrust Spider-man in the marvel universe. Especially earlier on. Both he and the mutants became more popular in-universe over time.
Off the top of my head, I can think of J. Jonah Jameson and Harry Osbourne...anyone else?

EDIT: Perhaps the police...but the point is, to the average citizen, he's a hero.
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Re: Why Hasn't This Been Brought Up Before? (Goku vs Animals

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:52 pm

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What? There are plenty of people who don't like/hate/distrust Spider-man in the marvel universe. Especially earlier on. Both he and the mutants became more popular in-universe over time.
Off the top of my head, I can think of J. Jonah Jameson and Harry Osbourne...anyone else?

EDIT: Perhaps the police...but the point is, to the average citizen, he's a hero.
Maybe now, but for most of his history (40+ years), the public hated Spider-Man.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:00 pm

Yeah; she has no problem with Oolong or Puar but has a problem with Goku's tail. The hell?
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Post by rereboy » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:16 pm

Saiga wrote:What? There are plenty of people who don't like/hate/distrust Spider-man in the marvel universe. Especially earlier on. Both he and the mutants became more popular in-universe over time.
His point is a valid one. The theme of the mutants is that pretty much everybody hates them because they are mutants (full-blown racism even). However, they are part of the same universe of tons of other super powered beings who don't get nearly as much hate because they aren't mutants.
Kid Buu wrote:Yeah; she has no problem with Oolong or Puar but has a problem with Goku's tail. The hell?
Because talking animals are normal in that world. Little kids with fully functioning monkey tails are not.

We just find weird because both situations are not normal in OUR world.

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Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:49 pm

rereboy wrote:
Saiga wrote:What? There are plenty of people who don't like/hate/distrust Spider-man in the marvel universe. Especially earlier on. Both he and the mutants became more popular in-universe over time.
His point is a valid one. The theme of the mutants is that pretty much everybody hates them because they are mutants (full-blown racism even). However, they are part of the same universe of tons of other super powered beings who don't get nearly as much hate because they aren't mutants.
Even if it was, Spider-man is probably the worst example to compare to that. Wouldn't the Avengers (minus Hulk) or Fantastic Four (minus Ben) be better for that? And even then, those are all humans who were turned into superheroes, and more relateable to the general public than mutants who are born fundamentally different and are incorrectly perceived as a different genus. I think that does make more sense than the example of Goku.

If it was just that there were animal-Earthlings and human-Earthlings, and any of the human types just looks completely human, then I could accept Goku being weird. But Tenshinhan and Kuririn apparently draw no attention, and Kuririn's the only one who notices the oddness of Chaozu. They even have werewolves, and werehumans. So the only thing that's apparently unusual is humans with tails and wereapes. For no reason.
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Re: Why Hasn't This Been Brought Up Before? (Goku vs Animals

Post by Fionordequester » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:51 pm

Even if it was, Spider-man is probably the worst example to compare to that. Wouldn't the Avengers (minus Hulk) or Fantastic Four (minus Ben) be better for that? And even then, those are all humans who were turned into superheroes, and more relateable to the general public than mutants who are born fundamentally different and are incorrectly perceived as a different genus. I think that does make more sense than the example of Goku.
Well...as far as I knew, in the era I grew up in, I saw stuff like the Sam Raimi movies and "The Amazing Spiderman", where almost everyone besides the police and a few others here and there saw him as a hero, so I guess I wasn't aware that things used to be different. Also, do we know that the general public knows that their superheroes didn't used to be different? I never saw anything in Spider Man where the people knew "oh, he was bitten by a radioactive spider, he's not that different"?

Anyways, the point is, people found Goku weird for the same reason people saw the mutants as despicable, but not the Avengers. People aren't exactly logical you know, whether it's real life OR fiction!
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Re: Why Hasn't This Been Brought Up Before? (Goku vs Animals

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:55 pm

They didn't know for Spider-man, but he used to be just as hated as the mutants because nobody knows jack shit about him. The general public knew the Fantastic Four's backstory, they knew Captain America's deal, I'm pretty sure they knew Ant/Giantman discovered Pym Particles, and people thought Iron Man was a loyal robot bodyguard to Tony Stark.

I just don't see a reason for Goku to be singled out from everything else in the series that gets accepted. :P
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