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What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by cesarcoronel07 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:53 am

I would probably fix Goku not turning into a child, Goten going to space instead of Pan, the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga to be more serious, everything about Super 17 Saga, and Pan becoming a Super Saiyajin! I would've loved to have seen a female Super Saiyajin :( What I wouldn't change is the idea of Super Saiyajin 4, Super Saiyajin 4 Fusion, the Baby Saga, and the Shadow Dragon Saga.

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

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Theres actually a few threads of this, including one of my own and Kaboom's.
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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:23 pm

I'd liked to be linked to the version of this with more content.
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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:41 pm

Honestly just the way it was made out to be and frankly, it's not a series that a lot of people liked so it wouldn't be worth the effort anyway.

Well if there's one thing I'd like changed from GT...

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:44 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Honestly just the way it was made out to be and frankly, it's not a series that a lot of people liked so it wouldn't be worth the effort anyway.

Well if there's one thing I'd like changed from GT...

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:55 pm

I never liked the design of SSJ4 Vegeta at all really, it just didnt look right with his character to me.
First off his hair is brown and he has a mane underneath his original hair style... eww.... The colouring overall just doesnt look right for him to me. He looks like an 80's rocker to me.

Goku seems to fit the concept because his original design scheme isnt that much different. His hair is just Fuller it normally is, and the same colour.
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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by ABED » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:52 pm

I'd keep Pan, but just make her less annoying. Pan brought a different side out of Goku, his paternal side. Plus it's nice to get a female on the show every now and then. However, the fights would be more intense. That's one thing that bugged me, the fights. Super Saiyan 4 was supposed to be a huge leap in power and Goku loses his energy after a few hits.
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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:16 pm

ABED wrote:I'd keep Pan, but just make her less annoying. Pan brought a different side out of Goku, his paternal side. Plus it's nice to get a female on the show every now and then. However, the fights would be more intense. That's one thing that bugged me, the fights. Super Saiyan 4 was supposed to be a huge leap in power and Goku loses his energy after a few hits.
Pan needs a redesign and an attitude adjustment for me. Her brattiness was never balanced out with anything else in her worth keeping which was her biggest problem. I mean she was weakest character in the series as I see it. Pan at least needs some sort of useful gimmick to her motif to make her likable. Her multiverse incarnation was a much better version: she was at least more like Goten was and carried his likability.

My issue with SSJ4 was that you couldn't really tell how strong it was in general compared to SSJ3, the feats were no different from what he did in base form.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by Karrit » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:22 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
ABED wrote:I'd keep Pan, but just make her less annoying. Pan brought a different side out of Goku, his paternal side. Plus it's nice to get a female on the show every now and then. However, the fights would be more intense. That's one thing that bugged me, the fights. Super Saiyan 4 was supposed to be a huge leap in power and Goku loses his energy after a few hits.
Pan needs a redesign and an attitude adjustment for me. Her brattiness was never balanced out with anything else in her worth keeping which was her biggest problem. I mean she was weakest character in the series as I see it. Pan at least needs some sort of useful gimmick to her motif to make her likable. Her multiverse incarnation was a much better version: she was at least more like Goten was and carried his likability.
I wouldn't call Pan weak, but I agree she needs changes. I think she should be shown as a real fighter though with an attitude and heart of a warrior. I;d like to see her somewhere between her personality at the end of Z and Videl's attitude during the Saiyaman Saga. I always envisioned her as more of a successor to Goku's legacy than what was presented.

And Goku should not be turned into a child. I would have preferred him to remain an adult. Also, the other characters should not be reduced to the degree they were. it was even worse that the Buu saga.

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by ABED » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:01 pm

I'm surprised so many people seem to dislike Goku as a child. I don't mind it, but I don't think I would've continued it after he turned SS4. As for Pan, I don't find her as annoying as some, but there's still plenty of room for improvement. Her interactions with Giru made me laugh and were sweet at times. However, I think that could be a good arc for her - to see her go from bratty teen to mature young woman.
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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by Mystic Buu » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:12 pm

I would like Goten to go with Goku and not Pan.Another problem is that every villian is killed by Goku :problem:

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by baneofdemon22 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:15 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I never liked the design of SSJ4 Vegeta at all really, it just didnt look right with his character to me.
First off his hair is brown and he has a mane underneath his original hair style... eww.... The colouring overall just doesnt look right for him to me. He looks like an 80's rocker to me.

Goku seems to fit the concept because his original design scheme isnt that much different. His hair is just Fuller it normally is, and the same colour.
Oh no! Why'd you have to point that out? I never noticed that about their hair! Darn it! You've seen it, you can't un-see it!

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:48 pm

- Make Pan the main character, only with a less abrasive and whiny personality (I can't stand whiners) or at least develop her more.
- Oob should be the second main character of the story, and have him serve as Pan's rival for Grandpa Goku's attention and affection.
- Axe Giru (fucking hate him).
- Goku can stay, only he won't hog the spotlight all the time like he did in GT. In fact he should be demoted to mentor role.
- Focus more on making the fight scenes well-choreographed rather than making them look pretty and flashy. Seriously, out of all the fight scenes in the entirety of GT only two are good.
- Make Bebi more of a Tragic Villain, rather than giving him that obnoxious nazi personality. You know, make him fight the remaining Saiyans not only on a physical level but on a psychological level.

Honestly I could go for days about all the poor writing and the things that just don't deliver in GT that could be fixed but those are discussions up in the air for another topic.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:- Goku can stay, only he won't hog the spotlight all the time like he did in GT. In fact he should be demoted to mentor role.
- Make Bebi more of a Tragic Villain, rather than giving him that obnoxious nazi personality. You know, make him fight the remaining Saiyans not only on a physical level but on a psychological level.

Honestly I could go for days about all the poor writing and the things that just don't deliver in GT that could be fixed but those are discussions up in the air for another topic.
Are you saying Baby being a "Nazi" is bad writing, and the tragic villain is axiomatically better?

I disagree about Goku, he's the main character and would like him to stay so. However, I would give the supporting characters a little more to do, such as have them defeat some of the Evil Dragons. For instance, Goten and Trunks fighting the 2 star Dragon could be funny, Vegeta fighting the 3 star Dragon would be a good match.
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Post by SSJ4_Zankuto » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:36 pm

I would change Dr Myuu being the one who created Bebi. He just reminds me of alien version of Dr Gero with machines that have ability to walk-through metal walls.

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ABED wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:- Goku can stay, only he won't hog the spotlight all the time like he did in GT. In fact he should be demoted to mentor role.
- Make Bebi more of a Tragic Villain, rather than giving him that obnoxious nazi personality. You know, make him fight the remaining Saiyans not only on a physical level but on a psychological level.

Honestly I could go for days about all the poor writing and the things that just don't deliver in GT that could be fixed but those are discussions up in the air for another topic.
Are you saying Baby being a "Nazi" is bad writing, and the tragic villain is axiomatically better?

I disagree about Goku, he's the main character and would like him to stay so. However, I would give the supporting characters a little more to do, such as have them defeat some of the Evil Dragons. For instance, Goten and Trunks fighting the 2 star Dragon could be funny, Vegeta fighting the 3 star Dragon would be a good match.
Not that he was a nazi that was a problem. It's that he is obnoxious on top of that (I.E. he is extremely childish). I just thought that being a Tragic Villain would work better considering the concept of his character (artificially-made Tuffle with a huge grudge against the Saiyans).

I disagree with Goku keeping the lead role. I don't think he's interesting enough by that point.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ABED » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:01 pm

Not that he was a nazi that was a problem. It's that he is obnoxious on top of that (I.E. he is extremely childish). I just thought that being a Tragic Villain would work better considering the concept of his character (artificially-made Tuffle with a huge grudge against the Saiyans).

I disagree with Goku keeping the lead role. I don't think he's interesting enough by that point.
I see what you're saying, I think there are numerous ways to play it. Even though it was played okay, I like the idea that the villain doesn't see that he's guilty of the same injustice that was perpetrated on him. The danger of the sympathetic villain is that they are more sympathetic than the hero, though I'm sure some critic will claim that's more sophisticated and better than straight forward good vs. evil.

I still disagree about Goku taking a back seat. I like staying with the same lead character from beginning to end.
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Post by roscaifed » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:19 pm

I would have liked way more of Gohan. At the end of DBZ where he becomes mystic (if that's what you want to call that form) against Buu he is just epic. To have some more of that confident cocky Gohan in DBGT would have been great. Pans character arc was a major let down. Goku (not as a child), Trunks and Gohan would have been a much better trio imo. I would have liked Krillin as a main character as well tbh (just for nostalgic reasons)

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

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Re: What would you change about Dragon Ball GT?

Post by LeprikanGT » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:53 pm

The disregard for quality animation days. There are scenes of Kid Goku where his hands look like 5 squigles coming off of his palms.

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