Gap between Goku or Vegeta

[dualist]

Ok, so I understand the gap in power after between the two after Goku's training on the way to Namek, healing on Freeza's spaceship, and his training after his fight with Frieza before coming back to earth. However, when Vegeta goes SSJ for the first time while Goku is sick from the Heart Disease, I thought Vegeta closed the gap between them. So after training in the HBTC, how did Goku widen the gap so much again? They all became ascended Saiyans, and Vegeta even went back into the HBTC after Goku and Gohan came out, so why was the gap in power still so wide? What did Goku do/know that Vegeta didn't? Why was his is training technique so much better? That was the only time in my opinion that their gap in Power didn't quite make sense to me.

Looking for some insight/opinion on this.

Thanks!

[Herms]

According to Trunks, Vegeta reached Super Saiyan Grade II after just two months of training in the Room of Spirit and Time, but he insisted on spending the entire year in there, apparently just pissing around and twiddling his thumbs. Whereas when Goku reached Grade II and III, he immediately realized those forms were unbalanced compared to regular Super Saiyan and started working on a better approach.

So basically, Goku is apparently smarter and better at handling transformations than Vegeta. Perhaps it's because of his prior experience with the Kaio-ken, or knowledge he picked up training under Kame-sennin/Karin/Popo.

[Kaboom]

Pretty sure Vegeta kept going even after ascending in order to just train more, didn't he?

Anyway, like Herms said, Goku realized the 'Grade' states weren't the best way to go, and so he and Gohan instead focused on making the best of Super Saiyan and training with that instead. Apparently the ability to remain in Super Saiyan for extended periods of time is a huge boon to training, and I think one of the Super Exciting Guide books cites it as a big reason why Goku gained so much power in the Room of Spirit and Time.

[ABED]

Goku's smarter with his training. Vegeta's not a dummy, but he does seem to fall into work harder = better results. However, just like real life, working harder in the gym doesn't necessarily equal better results.

[dualist]

Oh ok, that makes a lot more sense that Goku had a better grasp of how to train for better use of the transformation experience. But I would think that Vegeta would've tried that approach after going back in there a second time.

[ABED]

Oh ok, that makes a lot more sense that Goku had a better grasp of how to train for better use of the transformation experience. But I would think that Vegeta would've tried that approach after going back in there a second time.

The best explanation I have is that he's the type of character that would cut his nose off to spite his face. Doing the same training as Goku would be like admitting Goku was better than him.

[Herms]

Pretty sure Vegeta kept going even after ascending in order to just train more, didn't he?

Presumably, but it looks like he was just spinning his wheels after that point, since he obviously didn't get any closer to anything like Full Power Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. Goku even tells Vegeta that past a certain point hanging out in the Room is just torture, not training, since you can't get a good rest in there. Which is another thing Vegeta apparently never realized on his own. It looks like he just thought that taking the same training that got him to Grade II and doing it over and over again would keep on bringing the same sort of results, whereas Goku recognized the need to change things up.

[Hugo Boss]

Oh ok, that makes a lot more sense that Goku had a better grasp of how to train for better use of the transformation experience. But I would think that Vegeta would've tried that approach after going back in there a second time.

The best explanation I have is that he's the type of character that would cut his nose off to spite his face. Doing the same training as Goku would be like admitting Goku was better than him.

I guess Vegeta admited that was the best way, didn't he? At Cell Games they didn't use the upgraded forms of Super Saiyan, though I'm not sure if they had a trace of Grade IV. In the future, Trunks does use the Grade IV against the cyborgs & Cell.

[dario03]

I always figured it was experience. Goku had been a SS for a lot longer and had experience with KK. I also think training Gohan might have actually helped since he would have observed the differences in Gohans transformation compared to his own.

Also did Vegeta and Trunks spar at all? Doesn't Trunks say the mostly just did their own thing and Vegeta wanted to be left alone? That probably played a decent part in it as well.

[Saiga]

Pretty sure Vegeta kept going even after ascending in order to just train more, didn't he?

Presumably, but it looks like he was just spinning his wheels after that point, since he obviously didn't get any closer to anything like Full Power Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2. Goku even tells Vegeta that past a certain point hanging out in the Room is just torture, not training, since you can't get a good rest in there. Which is another thing Vegeta apparently never realized on his own. It looks like he just thought that taking the same training that got him to Grade II and doing it over and over again would keep on bringing the same sort of results, whereas Goku recognized the need to change things up.

Given that it's implied that Vegeta knew about the flaws of Grade III, I think he might have been aware of the problem with Grade II as well. But in lieu of a solution, he could only really train further and try to make up for that by getting stronger. Grade II doesn't seem so bad, it's not a complete liability like Grade III is. He also is the first to understand what Goku's intent was with Super Saiyan Full Power when he first sees it, catching on fairly quickly. I think the main difference isn't that he couldn't see the problem, but that he couldn't see any solution for it. Goku being the genius that he is had the idea to try and stay in Super Saiyan for as long as possible, which is honestly rather unorthodox.

[Dabooyaka]

Oh ok, that makes a lot more sense that Goku had a better grasp of how to train for better use of the transformation experience. But I would think that Vegeta would've tried that approach after going back in there a second time.

The best explanation I have is that he's the type of character that would cut his nose off to spite his face. Doing the same training as Goku would be like admitting Goku was better than him.

I guess Vegeta admited that was the best way, didn't he? At Cell Games they didn't use the upgraded forms of Super Saiyan, though I'm not sure if they had a trace of Grade IV. In the future, Trunks does use the Grade IV against the cyborgs & Cell.

Whats grade 4?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Whats grade 4?

Aka Super Saiyan Full Power, aka mastered Super Saiyan.