What happened to Grand Supreme Kai?

[roscaifed]

When Buu gets to the sacred land of the Kai's he absorbes the Grand Supreme Kai and becomes the fat Buu that we know from the start of the Babidi/majin Buu sagas.

In dragonball GT, Mr Satan hides inside of Buu and the Grand Supreme Kai isn't in there. What happened to him?

[Flame Dragon]

Grand Supreme Kai was inside Buu'sbody for so long that in the end, it was completely assimilated.
I guess GSK became a part of Buu's DNA.

[Blade]

Grand Supreme Kai was inside Buu'sbody for so long that in the end, it was completely assimilated.
I guess GSK became a part of Buu's DNA.

This is a widespread belief, and has been how I've always seen it - but is this ever corroborated by any guidebook information?

[90sDBZ]

I've heard the theory that after expelling most of his evil Fat Buu IS Grand Supreme Kai. Although a more simpleminded version of him albeit.

[Darkprince410]

It could also be that the Dai Kaioushin was in a different part of Buu than Mr. Satan was in. When Goku and Vegeta were inside Evil Buu's head, they found Gohan and the others together, but Mr. Buu was a little ways away, not in their immediate vicinity to where they were easily able to see him. The situation inside Mr. Buu's is very likely the same.

[RandomGuy96]

You'll also notice that the South Kaioshin is nowhere to be found, and Mr. Buu exists completely independently of what is explicitly described to be the original Majin Buu. Likely, Mr. Buu IS those two Kaioshin, merged into one being, their physical bodies having been transmutated into whatever Buu is made of over the 5 million years, and their personalities completely wiped from multiple personality swaps and replaced with the new mind of the fat Buu that came into existence when Pure Buu absorbed Grand Kaioshin.

[DBZAOTA482]

GT Logic.

[roscaifed]

GT Logic.

That's pretty much what I was thinking

[Draken]

Except he was gone in DBZ too.

[Saiga]

We didn't see the inside of Mr Boo in Dragon Ball.

[Blade]

I dunno - I'd think that if Dai Kaioshin were still alive inside Majin Buu the plot would have probably seen him either be released or the Supreme Kai taking some sort of measure to release him. Why would he allow his fellow Kai's to be trapped inside Fat Buu? It makes no sense.

When Super Buu had his breakdown we saw Buff Buu for a split second before he finally devolves into Kid Buu, and we know for a fact that the Southern Supreme Kai wasn't inside of Buu when Vegeta and Goku were in there.

I think the idea of those that Buu absorbed being fully incorporated into his DNA after a long period of time seems to be both the most logical and likely explanation - if there is one.

[hleV]

I dunno - I'd think that if Dai Kaioshin were still alive inside Majin Buu the plot would have probably seen him either be released or the Supreme Kai taking some sort of measure to release him. Why would he allow his fellow Kai's to be trapped inside Fat Buu? It makes no sense.

Implying that Kaioshin (well, Kibitoshin) would've ever came up with such an idea? Plus it would've probably destroyed Mr. Boo, who was their friend now, a Z Fighter, even.

When Super Buu had his breakdown we saw Buff Buu for a split second before he finally devolves into Kid Buu, and we know for a fact that the Southern Supreme Kai wasn't inside of Buu when Vegeta and Goku were in there.

The South Kaioshin was inside Mr. Boo who was inside Evil Boo. Even though the link between the two was broken, Buff Boo himself was an effect of South Kaioshin (or his "essence" which Evil Boo was drawing from Mr. Boo) being sent back to Mr. Boo.

I think the idea of those that Buu absorbed being fully incorporated into his DNA after a long period of time seems to be both the most logical and likely explanation - if there is one.

If the South Kaioshin was no longer a thing (completely merged into Mr. Boo), Evil Boo would've never become Buff Boo, because that's the form of Pure Boo with the South Kaioshin absorbed.

[DBZAOTA482]

I dunno - I'd think that if Dai Kaioshin were still alive inside Majin Buu the plot would have probably seen him either be released or the Supreme Kai taking some sort of measure to release him. Why would he allow his fellow Kai's to be trapped inside Fat Buu? It makes no sense.

Well, East Kaioshin is proven to be an idiot, and massive pussy to boot. I wouldn't put it beneath him to do something like that.

[Blade]

Implying that Kaioshin (well, Kibitoshin) would've ever came up with such an idea? Plus it would've probably destroyed Mr. Boo, who was their friend now, a Z Fighter, even.

Well, East Kaioshin is proven to be an idiot, and massive pussy to boot. I wouldn't put it beneath him to do something like that.

Perhaps not him, but the Elder Kai would have. After witnessing Vegetto go to such lengths to free Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo - I hugely doubt the thought wouldn't have crossed their minds were it possible.

The South Kaioshin was inside Mr. Boo who was inside Evil Boo. Even though the link between the two was broken, Buff Boo himself was an effect of South Kaioshin (or his "essence" which Evil Boo was drawing from Mr. Boo) being sent back to Mr. Boo.

But via that logic, if one were to remove South Kaioshin and Dai Kaio from Fat Buu, he would then return to Kid Buu - do you see the problem with that?

If the South Kaioshin was no longer a thing (completely merged into Mr. Boo), Evil Boo would've never become Buff Boo, because that's the form of Pure Boo with the South Kaioshin absorbed.

Just because Buu's body 'remembered' his past forms whilst in the transitory phase, doesn't mean that the entities that once provided them still definitely exist.

[hleV]

The South Kaioshin was inside Mr. Boo who was inside Evil Boo. Even though the link between the two was broken, Buff Boo himself was an effect of South Kaioshin (or his "essence" which Evil Boo was drawing from Mr. Boo) being sent back to Mr. Boo.

But via that logic, if one were to remove South Kaioshin and Dai Kaio from Fat Buu, he would then return to Kid Buu - do you see the problem with that?

Fat Boo consisted of Pure Boo, South Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin while Mr. Boo has Pure Boo lacking. Or I don't understand what are you trying to say.

If the South Kaioshin was no longer a thing (completely merged into Mr. Boo), Evil Boo would've never become Buff Boo, because that's the form of Pure Boo with the South Kaioshin absorbed.

Just because Buu's body 'remembered' his past forms whilst in the transitory phase, doesn't mean that the entities that once provided them still definitely exist.

"Remembered"? That's how you explain Evil Boo's transformation to Buff Boo who not only resembles the South Kaioshin, but is also stronger than Evil Boo?

If you have to go through all these weird assumptions only because of the premise that the Kaioshins would've tried to rescue South and Dai Kaioshins from Mr. Boo had it been possible, then perhaps consider that premise being wrong. Like I said, extracting South & Dai Kaioshins would probably result in Mr. Boo's - their friend's - death, and since the "deaths" of South & Dai Kaioshins were settled with 5 millions years ago, I honestly don't have much problem with the Kaioshins not giving a fuck. Elder Kaioshin never even knew them.

[Blade]

That's how you explain Evil Boo's transformation to Buff Boo who not only resembles the South Kaioshin, but is also stronger than Evil Boo?

So your argument is that it's impossible for Buu's body to have remembered the form as he temporarily became stronger, yet he somehow became stronger after Fat Buu had been removed? You're arguing the toss, that's nonsensical.

If you have to go through all these weird assumptions only because of the premise that the Kaioshins would've tried to rescue South and Dai Kaioshins from Mr. Boo had it been possible, then perhaps consider that premise being wrong.

Yeah, and this is any less an assumption?

Like I said, extracting South & Dai Kaioshins would probably result in Mr. Boo's - their friend's - death.

[hleV]

That's how you explain Evil Boo's transformation to Buff Boo who not only resembles the South Kaioshin, but is also stronger than Evil Boo?

So your argument is that it's impossible for Buu's body to have remembered the form as he temporarily became stronger, yet he somehow became stronger after Fat Buu had been removed? You're arguing the toss, that's nonsensical.

My argument is that Evil Boo could only have temporarily become stronger due to South Kaioshin being there somewhere. Boo takes strength from his absorbees. If South and Dai Kaioshins merged into Boo, then Fat Boo would be stuck at his lowered-through-absorptions power and Evil Boo couldn't use Mr. Boo to power up. If Fat Boo was one being with South & Dai Kaioshins, then Pure Boo would be unable to exist, because Pure Boo is a version of Boo without the two Kaioshins.

If you have to go through all these weird assumptions only because of the premise that the Kaioshins would've tried to rescue South and Dai Kaioshins from Mr. Boo had it been possible, then perhaps consider that premise being wrong.

Yeah, and this is any less an assumption?

Like I said, extracting South & Dai Kaioshins would probably result in Mr. Boo's - their friend's - death.

You're free to provide your own assumption of what would happen had the two Kaioshins, which are what forms Mr. Boo (wrapped in Boo's type of body), were suddenly removed. I'd also like to hear your opinion on what would the Z fighters and Boo himself have to say about having the two Kaioshins extracted.

[Blade]

You're free to provide your own assumption of what would happen had the two Kaioshins, which are what forms Mr. Boo (wrapped in Boo's type of body), were suddenly removed. I'd also like to hear your opinion on what would the Z fighters and Boo himself have to say about having the two Kaioshins extracted.

Why would I have any assumptions about things purely based on your assumption (and not fact), that go against my own assumption that the Kais were absorbed permanently into Buu's DNA? You're really confusing me now - are we actually debating something here, or are you just arguing the toss?

I've already provided my opinion.

[Hellspawn28]

Buu most likely has him absorb completely. I guess Buu was created to absorb the Kais similar how Cell with #17 and #18.

[hleV]

Why would I have any assumptions about things purely based on your assumption (and not fact), that go against my own assumption that the Kais were absorbed permanently into Buu's DNA? You're really confusing me now - are we actually debating something here, or are you just arguing the toss?

I've already provided my opinion.

Your opinion is based on the fact that Mr. Boo stays Mr. Boo rather than having the two Kaioshins extracted from him, which according to you means that it's impossible to do. I'm saying that there was hardly much reason for the Kaioshin(s) to consider "the extraction" to begin with. Since you don't seem to agree, I'm curious what makes you think that, if the Kaioshins were indeed inside Mr. Boo rather than merged with him, they would've definitely been extracted from him?