A Newcomer's Experience

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:17 am

Reading other's impressions from watching the series for the 1st time is awesome.

And you should have her watch DB: Episode of Bardock after the Freeza arc. Or maybe not. :lol:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Saiga » Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:35 am

This is pretty awesome! I like that she's a fan of Gohan, hope that sticks :3 Actually, I like a lot of her reactions. I remember how animated I used to get over the developments of the series, which is not something I can really experience again knowing what happens already.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:43 pm

Saiga wrote:This is pretty awesome! I like that she's a fan of Gohan, hope that sticks :3 Actually, I like a lot of her reactions. I remember how animated I used to get over the developments of the series, which is not something I can really experience again knowing what happens already.
Yeah, I'm probably bugging the shit out of her when I ask her to tell what she thought of everything in detail but it's awesome to see someone watch the series for the first time.

I'm curious as to how she'll react to an adult Gohan in the Buu arc. That cuteness she loves isn't quite there anymore. I imagine Goten will fill that role.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:54 pm

I think it would be interesting to have he watch GT, but without telling her that it's bad.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by dodge2461 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:02 pm

Knowing how she loves Gohan so much, I can just imagine her reaction to Gohan singing in 'The Strongest Guy in the World' :lol:

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:16 am

dodge2461 wrote:Knowing how she loves Gohan so much, I can just imagine her reaction to Gohan singing in 'The Strongest Guy in the World' :lol:
She'd probably keel over :lol:

I'm tempted to show her Kelamis as Goku in that film. I really enjoy the dub for the first three movies.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by TheAldella » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:22 pm

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:44 pm

It's still going! I figured it wouldn't be worth just updating for the sake of some brief thoughts on the Freeza fight and Super Saiyan transformation. I'll likely update around the time Gohan and Trunks find Cell's exoskeleton thing. I can certainly do it sooner if people are desperate for an update!
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:47 am

Alright, updated FINALLY.

Sorry for the delay. I wanted to do a big section at once and I just moved back to uni so there's not a been a whole lot of time.

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:58 am

Not surprised she's finding the Cell stuff boring and tedious, especially at the never-ending Vegeta/Trunks island confrontation. Perhaps a bit surprised she didn't find Cell at least somewhat intriguing before that, but you didn't specifically mention it.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:01 pm

Yeah I find that arc dull too mainly because the Androids are so bland. Cell's interesting when he first shows up, but then turns into a Vegeta/Freeza rehash he becomes Perfect.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:22 pm

She just hasn't liked him flat out, really.

She really hated his bwerhhh sound that he makes and just genuinely found all the situations he was in annoying.

Vegeta's overwhelming arrogance and Trunks' facilitating of it has been driving her mad too. Which I guess is intended but does make for an infuriating experience when you're already tired of the fight.

Piccolo's first bout with Cell was something she liked but that was only quite short in Kai.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:43 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I think it would be interesting to have he watch GT, but without telling her that it's bad.
Dragon Ball GT isn't actually bad (imo) I'm rewatching it again and it's very enjoyable, quite a different experience from DB and Z but that doesn't mean it's bad or anything.

Already on episode 31 and wish it was longer than 64 episodes.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:55 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Dragon Ball GT isn't actually bad (imo) I'm rewatching it again and it's very enjoyable, quite a different experience from DB and Z but that doesn't mean it's bad or anything.

Already on episode 31 and wish it was longer than 64 episodes.
I also don't find it bad (though the first episodes are very boring), but most people find it from bad to horrible, and when you tell someone to watch something "but be careful, it's bad", it does give a negativity to their final impression sometimes.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:16 pm

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dbboxkaifan wrote:Dragon Ball GT isn't actually bad (imo) I'm rewatching it again and it's very enjoyable, quite a different experience from DB and Z but that doesn't mean it's bad or anything.

Already on episode 31 and wish it was longer than 64 episodes.
I also don't find it bad (though the first episodes are very boring), but most people find it from bad to horrible, and when you tell someone to watch something "but be careful, it's bad", it does give a negativity to their final impression sometimes.
I had no real qualms with GT really. It's not great by any means but it's not the abomination it's made out to be.

The whole redo-Dragon-Ball-in-Space thing was kinda shitty but after that I didn't really mind it.

Its last arc and ending were pretty great all round, I felt.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:18 pm

Eh, the earlier episodes just lack tension because you just wonder why they don't just one-shot the obstacles. The Bebi and Super 17 arc stuff is fun, but the Shadow Dragons arc I found entirely dull.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:03 am

Kid Buu wrote:Eh, the earlier episodes just lack tension because you just wonder why they don't just one-shot the obstacles. The Bebi and Super 17 arc stuff is fun, but the Shadow Dragons arc I found entirely dull.
Interesting. I found Super 17 to be dull with only the initial Dragon Ball hunt in the Shadow Dragons arc to be a little on the edge of boring.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Saiga » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:22 am

Baby arc and Super 17 are the parts I can find the most enjoyment out of. Some parts of the final Shadow Dragon battle weren't bad either, but that's it.

Anyway! I'm glad to see more of an update. I like that she appreciates 16. :lol: Shame she's losing interest here, though. Hopefully she makes it to the Boo arc.
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by RocktheDragon » Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:48 pm

Very cool to see a newcomer's response to Dragon ball Z (as others have stated)! It takes me back to my first time watching DBZ as a child and getting my mind blown with Great Ape Vegeta! I'm currently going through the anime series with my wife (starting from Dragon Ball) and she is enjoying the humor of DB very much. I wish I could have my memory erased and do it all over again (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind anyone?).
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Re: A Newcomer's Experience

Post by Ajay » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:36 pm

Small update:

She's just watched a few episodes into the Cell Games and said that she's starting to enjoy it a lot more now they're off the same island with Vegeta and Trunks and the whole 'absorbing junk' is done with. She still doesn't like Cell as a character and said that he's a 'shitty blend of Vegeta and Freeza' but she's really excited for the Cell Games now!

So glad that little bout of demotivation is over. I was worried for a bit that she was going to give up before it got good! She praised Vegeta's first fatherly signs when Trunks was in trouble and I told her there's way more of that to come in the Buu arc so hopefully that'll keep her watching!
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