DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:35 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:I realize that this doesn't particularly contribute anything to the discussion, but I will say that this topic is one of those WTF things that... y'know, just when you think you've seen it all and there's nothing new that can be posted, well... there it is, 28 Farmers vs. the Moon.


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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by hleV » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:09 pm

The farmers have better chances against the moon than the moon against the farmers.

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:18 pm

hleV wrote:The farmers have better chances against the moon than the moon against the farmers.
I don't know. If they end up dying from exhaustion after punching the moon for a while, I'd say the moon won. That's also discounting the whole lack of atmosphere thing. I think the moon's got this.
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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:23 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Li'l Lemmy wrote:I realize that this doesn't particularly contribute anything to the discussion, but I will say that this topic is one of those WTF things that... y'know, just when you think you've seen it all and there's nothing new that can be posted, well... there it is, 28 Farmers vs. the Moon.


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Totally the moon. Any moon. Especially this one.
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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by EvolutionStorm75 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:10 pm

1. Power levels don't scale linearly.
2. Roshi's moon busting feat should be an outlier since King Piccolo was only city level and Tao could get hurt by grenades
3. Kamehameha multiplies the users PL

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by TenshiGokuu » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:50 pm

EvolutionStorm75 wrote:1. Power levels don't scale linearly.
2. Roshi's moon busting feat should be an outlier since King Piccolo was only city level and Tao could get hurt by grenades
3. Kamehameha multiplies the users PL
Well how is that outlier? it was part of canon. and there is a big difference between blasting something with intention and prep time or with no prep time or that intention, even king piccolo had no intentions to destroy the planet, people refused to listen to him, he decided to state his point by blowing up the city and bringing terror to everyone.
even back in raditz fight goku kamehameha wave wasent even fazing raditz while piccolo beam cannon easily pierced thru goku and raditz something that was shoot by using 2 fingers. that explains why frieza was able to destroy a planet with 1 finger, because they have sharper and more destructive ki sense in them or something. lol

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:53 pm

It's possible that DB's moon is itty bitty. It's also possible that Saiyan Saga Vegeta can't actually bust a planet, and was talking about simply reducing Earth to a lifeless husk, and that the first 'real' planet buster is first form Freeza. Which, coincidentally, would also mean there are less than two dozen manga characters capable of planet busting*: Cold, Freeza, the eight Super Saiyans, the five androids, Piccolo, Cell, Yakon, Dabra, Kaioshin, and Majin Buu.

*assuming the humans never surpassed first form Freeza, which is logical. And also that Pui Pui isn't stronger than him.
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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by hleV » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:10 am

I still think that the initial moon destruction was just a gag moment... and the 2nd one was just repeating that gag.

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by Cursed Lemon » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:24 pm

What is the moon's power level?
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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by khalildh » Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:09 pm

A group of about 5 low class saiyans with battle powers of around 1000 can capture whole planets of alien races which we can assume are around 5 (maybe closer to 20 since humans are a weak alien species) by themselves.

Moon busting is easy in the dragonball manga, but power level increase is likely to to exponentially increase destructive potential.

Saiyan Elite = Planet buster
Frieza = Casual planet buster
SPC = Solar System buster
Majin Boo = Galactic threat and is likely a Galaxy buster (There are only 4 galaxies in DB though so it really isn't very beneficial to start blowing the up.)

I am thinking that anyone who is a trained master at ki can be a moon buster in Dragonball as long as their battle power is above 100.

100 = Moon Buster
10,000 = Planet buster
500,000 = Casual Moon Buster
1,000,000,000 = Solar System Buster

To answer the OP though, if the Farmers fused together and learned to be masters at Ki, then yes they should be able to Moon Bust.

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by TenshiGokuu » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:46 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:It's possible that DB's moon is itty bitty. It's also possible that Saiyan Saga Vegeta can't actually bust a planet, and was talking about simply reducing Earth to a lifeless husk, and that the first 'real' planet buster is first form Freeza. Which, coincidentally, would also mean there are less than two dozen manga characters capable of planet busting*: Cold, Freeza, the eight Super Saiyans, the five androids, Piccolo, Cell, Yakon, Dabra, Kaioshin, and Majin Buu.

*assuming the humans never surpassed first form Freeza, which is logical. And also that Pui Pui isn't stronger than him.
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vegeta could destroy planets in saiyan saga easily, he had over 16,000 power level, and roshi destroyed moon with 139 power level, also i dont think earth and moon being small in dbz verse, earth in dragon ball z is based on real earth, just with different named countries.

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by TenshiGokuu » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:48 pm

khalildh wrote:A group of about 5 low class saiyans with battle powers of around 1000 can capture whole planets of alien races which we can assume are around 5 (maybe closer to 20 since humans are a weak alien species) by themselves.

Moon busting is easy in the dragonball manga, but power level increase is likely to to exponentially increase destructive potential.

Saiyan Elite = Planet buster
Freeza = Casual planet buster
SPC = Solar System buster
Majin Boo = Galactic threat and is likely a Galaxy buster (There are only 4 galaxies in DB though so it really isn't very beneficial to start blowing the up.)

I am thinking that anyone who is a trained master at ki can be a moon buster in Dragonball as long as their battle power is above 100.

100 = Moon Buster
10,000 = Planet buster
500,000 = Casual Moon Buster
1,000,000,000 = Solar System Buster

To answer the OP though, if the Farmers fused together and learned to be masters at Ki, then yes they should be able to Moon Bust.
then that makes ssj god goku a multiverse buster, since he is like 100 times stronger than majin buu.

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by The Monkey King » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:23 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:It's possible that DB's moon is itty bitty.
Doubtful, since Toriyama said the distance between the DBZ Earth and the DBZ moon is the same as IRL.
It's also possible that Saiyan Saga Vegeta can't actually bust a planet, and was talking about simply reducing Earth to a lifeless husk,
Vegeta made his intentions quite clear:
Strength Checker wrote:Chapter: 231 (DBZ 37), P4.2/P6.2/P12.5
Context: Vegeta prepares to fire the Gyarikku-Ho
Vegeta: “Dodge this if you can!!!! Even if you save yourself, the Earth will be smashed to pieces!!!!! [ ] You’ll never block my Gyarikku-Ho…!!!! Turn to space dust together with the Earth!!!!!”
Goku: “x4!!!!!” *he uses the Kaio-ken x4*
The Daizenshuu also states saiyan saga Vegeta had enough power to destroy the Earth:
Daizenshuu 2 wrote:Vegeta displays gigantic power capable of destroying the Earth.
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and that the first 'real' planet buster is first form Freeza.
I think:
Vegeta = small/regular sized planet buster (Earth level)
1st Form Freeza = large planet buster (he busted a planet with 10G)
EvolutionStorm75 wrote:1. Power levels don't scale linearly.
2. Roshi's moon busting feat should be an outlier since King Piccolo was only city level and Tao could get hurt by grenades
3. Kamehameha multiplies the users PL
Not to mention Roshi's first FP KHH, only wiped out a mountain.

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Re: DBZ can 28 farmers bust down a moon?

Post by EvolutionStorm75 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:51 pm

TenshiGokuu wrote:
EvolutionStorm75 wrote:1. Power levels don't scale linearly.
2. Roshi's moon busting feat should be an outlier since King Piccolo was only city level and Tao could get hurt by grenades
3. Kamehameha multiplies the users PL
Well how is that outlier? it was part of canon. and there is a big difference between blasting something with intention and prep time or with no prep time or that intention, even king piccolo had no intentions to destroy the planet, people refused to listen to him, he decided to state his point by blowing up the city and bringing terror to everyone.
even back in raditz fight goku kamehameha wave wasent even fazing raditz while piccolo beam cannon easily pierced thru goku and raditz something that was shoot by using 2 fingers. that explains why Freeza was able to destroy a planet with 1 finger, because they have sharper and more destructive ki sense in them or something. lol
Even Goku struggling with 40 tons was part of the canon. It is an outlier because its inconsistent with the other feats in the series.

Tao getting hurt by grenades was not unintentional. You dont believe grenades in DB are moon level, do you?

Moreover, King Piccolo's city busting seemed impressive to Roshi-level guys.
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