The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:16 am

Goku VS 19.

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BUT

Let's pretend the fight starts off the same, in the sense that Goku tried to Kamehameha 19 only for 19 to absorb it.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:18 am

Didn't Goku punch 19 first? If he was at full power, I don't think 19 would survive long enough for the Kamehameha to be fired.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:19 am

Eh...just pretend he did survive that long for the sake of the battle.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:28 am

Kid Buu wrote:Eh...just pretend he did survive that long for the sake of the battle.
If he uses the exact same proportion of power, 19 should win. The Kamehameha sick Goku fired let 19 overcome him, so stronger or no, if 19 can absorb the Kamehameha, logically he'd do the same to healthy Goku.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:01 am

Gohan/Krillin (Potential Unlocked) Vs Kiwi

Let's say Kiwi never went to fight Vegeta and happened to come across Gohan and Krillin much later after their hidden abilities were drawn out. Would the two be able to defeat him as a team? Or would his power advantage be enough to give him the victory?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:15 am

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Gohan/Krillin (Potential Unlocked) Vs Kiwi

Let's say Kiwi never went to fight Vegeta and happened to come across Gohan and Krillin much later after their hidden abilities were drawn out. Would the two be able to defeat him as a team? Or would his power advantage be enough to give him the victory?
13,00 and 14,000 vs 18,000

Hmmmm... going purely by power, they might get in a few good hits, but I don't see them overwhelming a power advantage like that. They'd both need to be slightly stronger. However, I'm not discounting the possibility that Gohan would get a rage boost, Cui might try to tank a Kienzan, or one of Gohan or Krillin can land a surprise attack, or land a combined blast.

Due to flexibility as well as chance, I'll give it to Gohan and Krillin 6/10 times. Also because Cui sucks.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:10 am

Also, Cui can't use his Ultimate attack, because Gohan and Kuririn aren't familiar with Freeza at this stage.

Actually wait, they saw him attacking the village so they can put a face to the name. Well, they're just fucked then.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:58 am

South Kaioshin vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:49 am

Vegeta gets stomped for no other particular reason, that I agree with South Kaioshin's filler appearance, where he could give Pure Majin Buu a good fight IIRC.
Based on manga statements and logic he probably might not be that strong, but whatever.

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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:12 pm

dbgtFO wrote:Vegeta gets stomped for no other particular reason, that I agree with South Kaioshin's filler appearance, where he could give Pure Majin Buu a good fight IIRC.
Based on manga statements and logic he probably might not be that strong, but whatever.
Well SSJ2 Vegeta without the Majin boost was able to hold out against Kid Buu for a bit.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:44 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:Vegeta gets stomped for no other particular reason, that I agree with South Kaioshin's filler appearance, where he could give Pure Majin Buu a good fight IIRC.
Based on manga statements and logic he probably might not be that strong, but whatever.
Well SSJ2 Vegeta without the Majin boost was able to hold out against Kid Buu for a bit.
Personally, I'm under the impression that Vegeta kept the power from the "Majin Boost."
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:49 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:South Kaioshin vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Mr. Buu is strong enough to put up a fight against someone stronger than SS3 Goku. He is nothing more than the two Kaioshin fused with Buu skin. South Kaioshin is stronger than Dai Kaioshin, so be must be the majority of Mr Buu's SS3-tier power. I think he crushes anyone below SS3 tier.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Buu » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:03 am

SSJ2 Goku vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.Who would win if the battle continued?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:26 pm

Hard to tell. Vegeta's demonic Bobbidi-enhanced status may make him more durable, like Spopovich was, and let him win in the long run. But if the fight started dragging on too long and the situation with Boo became even more desperate, Goku eventually might have been forced to whip out Super Saiyan 3 to end it quickly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:00 pm

Mystic Buu wrote:SSJ2 Goku vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.Who would win if the battle continued?
I support a double K.O. Vegeta more durable(He was already durable without Majin) but I think Goku could pull out a second wind. So I honestly think they would both lose and win at the same time. Which means they kill each other. Goku would disappear forever and Vegeta would be in Hell(While being cleaned out and reincarnated)

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Post by EvolutionStorm75 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:26 pm

Goku should win because he has the advantage of instant transmission.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:57 pm

Nam vs Invisible Man.

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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:06 pm

I say Nam takes this.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:35 pm

Mystic Buu wrote:SSJ2 Goku vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.Who would win if the battle continued?
Goku..his main character powers will let him win.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:47 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Mystic Buu wrote:SSJ2 Goku vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.Who would win if the battle continued?
Goku..his main character powers will let him win.
Correction. It's MCD. Main Character Disease

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