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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:21 pm

This eternal debate on Chi Chi is exactly why I'm not sure how to feel about her myself. I truly understand where she's coming from with worrying about her son, but it's still hard for me to stand her when she seems to think that it really doesn't matter if the Earth is destroyed, so long as Gohan studies. Lot of good that studying is going to do him when he's dead, unless there's a really good college in the other world that we haven't heard about it (my money's on H.F.I.L.U.).
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:24 pm

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that was because of the year of stress from not knowing he was going through the entire time and not wanting to put up with two more months of it
That's debatable. If that's how you see the scene, fine, but even if she hadn't been through hell that year, she would have been against it. As for the Great Saiyaman thing, we weren't talking about that time in Gohan's life. If we were, by then, Goku's death got to her.
I was speaking on general terms. And I don't see why she'd be against it (concerning his studies), she made him carry homework to do along the way (which he ends up forgetting to do). I see it that way because she outright mentions it.
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Kid Buu wrote:I wouldn't let my 5 year old son go to outerspace either; especially if he was kidnapped away from me and I hadn't seen him in a year.
Would you make him study all the time? Would you try to determine his career for him? Would you show disregard for the child's father after a hellacious battle?
Similar stories to the last one actually has happened in real-life (where the mother shows greater concern for the child than the father despite having relatively minor injuries). Chi-Chi only looks bad there because Toriyama-sensei decided to play it up for laughs.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:28 pm

I'm sure some of the children of tiger moms end up enjoying their professions, but doesn't make it right that they do that to them.

And no, just because Goku enjoys fighting doesn't make it okay for her to show NO concern for his well being. Goku wasn't fighting Vegeta simply out of enjoyment, he came back to save his friends, family and planet. She hadn't seen him in a year! She seems to blame him for Gohan's year. I get that a parent might show more concern for her child than even a spouce, but she shows NO concern for her husband who's in much worse condition.

I get that Chichi is usually played for laughs but she still bugs me. Never liked her as a character since I never cared for her and Goku as a couple.

I don't know if it's an unpopular opinion but I don't think Chichi loves Goku. She's in love with the idea of love but her character in Dragon Ball always seemed to get her ideas of marriage and love was supposed to be from books or magazines or something.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:33 pm

Not to mention that the only reason she seemed so fixated on Goku as her marriage prospect in the first place was 1) because he did the pat pat test on her (though I want to say this was anime only) so she was "defiled", and 2) because her dad approved of it, so it's almost like an arranged marriage or something.

Though I do feel that the two grow to love each other over time, it's a pretty shaky set up. It's honestly not much more to go on than Vegeta/Bulma's relationship at the start.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:45 pm

There are moments where I like Chichi such as when she defends her son in Movie 1, and the squabble between her and Videl
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:56 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Not to mention that the only reason she seemed so fixated on Goku as her marriage prospect in the first place was 1) because he did the pat pat test on her (though I want to say this was anime only) so she was "defiled".
It's in the manga as well.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:41 am

Eh its not that Chichi is mother of the year material, but I find the hate towards her very exaggerated. She has good intentions for her son, even if she is overprotective. I've seen people compare her to Freeza and Cell in terms of evilness. Now that's just taking the biscuit.

Her relationship with Goku is pretty mundane, but that applies to most Dragon Ball couples in my opinion. The only believable one to me is Gohan/Videl.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Metalwario64 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:48 am

Kid Buu wrote:Eh its not that Chichi is mother of the year material, but I find the hate towards her very exaggerated. She has good intentions for her son, even if she is overprotective. I've seen people compare her to Freeza and Cell in terms of evilness. Now that's just taking the biscuit.

Her relationship with Goku is pretty mundane, but that applies to most Dragon Ball couples in my opinion. The only believable one to me is Gohan/Videl.
I think a large part of the hate revolving around her comes from anime filler where they exaggerate her overprotective personality and anger.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:00 am

Kid Buu wrote:Eh its not that Chichi is mother of the year material, but I find the hate towards her very exaggerated. She has good intentions for her son, even if she is overprotective. I've seen people compare her to Freeza and Cell in terms of evilness. Now that's just taking the biscuit.

Her relationship with Goku is pretty mundane, but that applies to most Dragon Ball couples in my opinion. The only believable one to me is Gohan/Videl.
To his credit, he's at least milder than most haters (except his claim of her not loving Goku).
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Codarik » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:41 am

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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:09 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:Eh its not that Chichi is mother of the year material, but I find the hate towards her very exaggerated. She has good intentions for her son, even if she is overprotective. I've seen people compare her to Freeza and Cell in terms of evilness. Now that's just taking the biscuit.

Her relationship with Goku is pretty mundane, but that applies to most Dragon Ball couples in my opinion. The only believable one to me is Gohan/Videl.
To his credit, he's at least milder than most haters (except his claim of her not loving Goku).
Kid Buu, yeah, claiming she's evil is a tad overboard. I've never heard the expression "that's taking the biscuit." I'll file that one away :)

DBZAOT482, I agree that Toriyama isn't great when it comes to romance, but I don't think she loves Goku in the way Videl and Gohan loved each other. Almost everything about her life seems to be dictated by what people are "supposed to do."
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Post by RocktheDragon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:51 pm

When I really get to the bottom of my opinions and think about them in greater detail I don't think I hold anything that would be too unpopular. The closest thing might be my absolute adoration of the Buu arc because it seems many don't take kindly to that saga. :P
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by baneofdemon22 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:00 pm

RocktheDragon wrote:When I really get to the bottom of my opinions and think about them in greater detail I don't think I hold anything that would be too unpopular. The closest thing might be my absolute adoration of the Buu arc because it seems many don't take kindly to that saga. :P
The Boo Arc is my favorite arc of the series! It might be, because all my emotions from what happened previously remain in tact, so I carry them over. I was also not fan of the Cell Games, so being that I always watch the series in order, the drastic change of me being bored, to something I love, makes my adoration greater. I love the series, and being that it's an ongoing story, if I still love it at the end, everything carries over. Otherwise my favorite is probably the Piccolo arc.

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Post by RocktheDragon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:05 pm

baneofdemon22 wrote:
RocktheDragon wrote:When I really get to the bottom of my opinions and think about them in greater detail I don't think I hold anything that would be too unpopular. The closest thing might be my absolute adoration of the Buu arc because it seems many don't take kindly to that saga. :P
The Boo Arc is my favorite arc of the series! It might be, because all my emotions from what happened previously remain in tact, so I carry them over. I was also not fan of the Cell Games, so being that I always watch the series in order, the drastic change of me being bored, to something I love, makes my adoration greater. Otherwise my favorite is probably the Piccolo arc.
My goodness you might have hit the nail head on with regards to why I adore the Buu arc so much too. The Cell Games arc is one of my personal lows for the series and I do get quite bored watching it (especially in the original anime version with dat filler). Spot on with your analysis!
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:37 pm

Krillin wasnt always useless like some people say.
I loved the attention he got in saiyan saga.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:43 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Krillin wasnt always useless like some people say.
I loved the attention he got in saiyan saga.
Who says that Krillin is useless? :shock:

I always hear Yamcha and Chazou. Maybe people say human was useless(But that just a generalization). But I've never heard anyone say Krillin or even Tien for that matter was useless.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Feb 02, 2014 2:47 pm

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FortuneSSJ wrote:Krillin wasnt always useless like some people say.
I loved the attention he got in saiyan saga.
Who says that Krillin is useless? :shock:

I always hear Yamcha and Chazou. Maybe people say human was useless(But that just a generalization). But I've never heard anyone say Krillin or even Tenshinhan for that matter was useless.
i read that a lot in youtube comments. yamcha and krillin always gettin all the hate. barely see anyone bash Chazou.
Tenshinhan is the only one of the three that people dont say stupid things.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:11 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:i read that a lot in youtube comments. yamcha and krillin always gettin all the hate. barely see anyone bash Chazou.
Tenshinhan is the only one of the three that people dont say stupid things.
Eh, I wouldn't use Youtube as your basis for that, since...well, most of it's going to be coming from fans of either questionable knowledge, or just people making TeamFourStar jokes. Especially with the latter, that would really explain why Yamcha and Krillin get so much crap. Tenshinhan though hasn't been shown to be super ineffective in Abridged, so there's less jokes about him. He also has the 'stoic' thing going on that a lot of people find really cool.

As for Chaozu...well...he's almost a non-entity, really. He's not there to do enough to get liked or hated either one really. He's...just...this guy.

For what it's worth though, I agree - Krillin is nowhere near lame. He may not get the same kind of glory that the alien characters do, but he certainly stuck around the longest out of the human crew, and there's a fair few times that things could have ended much more badly if it wasn't for his involvement. He's a pretty cool guy all things considered.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:20 pm

@ABED: Taking the biscuit is generally a more polite way of saying taking the piss, which is a British term for exaggeration.

I haven't seen much criticism of Krillin being useless. In fact it's generally Krillin being praised for being the underdog and always trying his best, where as Yamcha is just bashed as a loser.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by superfunk » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:53 am

My unpopular opinion is that I honestly dont give the slightest shit about uub.

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