Episode #0036 (23 July 2006)

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:04 am

Supa-saiyajin wrote:Geez for your first post that's a lot of words.

And what's wrong with that at all? That's the whole point, here... to discuss things. One of the rules of this forum is that if you don't have anything to say, don't bother posting. "A lot of words" is a recurring thing on this forum... I'd say you should probably get used to it.

Thanks for the feedback, dakstarlander! I don't think we have to worry about alternate formats any time soon; it hasn't been proven that either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are even here to stay. One big thing to take into consideration is just that plopping 1980's-1990's anime over to these HD formats just isn't going to do anything for its video quality, really. It's not like they were meant for HD to begin with, and there just ain't much in the way of additinal resolution for them to scan in.

Unlike with VHS during that period, the DVD format's still not in its old age (it ain't "young" anymore, but it's hardly dead or dying), so there are no worries.

Sebastian (SB) wrote:That particular moment in the Tenkaichi Budokai where Son Goten goes up to hug Son Goku is non-canon.

That doesn't mean we can't include it on the list, though

. Just like the movie 3 moment. Thanks for pointing it out, though, in case anyone was interested.

Majin Cell · Post by **Majin Cell** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:53 am

Well as always that was a great Podcast. My favorite part is the discussion of the villains motives, as well as the differences in their personalities. I have to say VegettoEX really has all the main villains figured out.

Slickmasterfunk · Post by **Slickmasterfunk** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:02 am

Great podcast! Too bad that there isn't a Japanese voice option in Super DBZ. Also don't forget that along with Budokai 3 Greatest Hits and Budokai Tenkaichi, Shin Budokai for the PSP had a Japanese voice option.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:29 pm

That was an outstandingly good podcast- you really do have all the villains figured out. But of course, it takes one to know one.

I agree that Cell kinda lost his motivation after accomplishing his objective. What would there be to do after he destroyed Earth? It'd be a lonely world...

You could really see Vegeta's personality shining through him- he was so eager for Gohan to unleash his full power, so he could demonstrate his supremacy. Without Vegeta, they would have never beaten Cell.

Oh yeah, and that BASTARD Freeza got off to easy in HFIL. I hate Freeza. Now, he just hangs out with Cell, having a right ol' laugh.

And VegettoEX, you summed up the GT villains EXtremely well.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:47 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Sebastian (SB) wrote:That particular moment in the Tenkaichi Budokai where Son Goten goes up to hug Son Goku is non-canon.
That doesn't mean we can't include it on the list, though . Just like the movie 3 moment. Thanks for pointing it out, though, in case anyone was interested.

Yeah, that was pretty much my intention. To point that our if anyone was interested. Either way, I was trying to reinforce that fatherly moment by showing that panel incase anyone was like "But that wasn't in the manga!!".

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:23 pm

I'm still listening to the podcast right now, but so far, it's great!

You guys discussing the villains was great. I never saw any dimension to Cell and Buu before.

Also, most of the scenes with Goku and his parental instincts are all filler...Oh well. Not only on the list, but in general. Most of his parental skills, like protecting Gohan from ki blasts and such...are from the movies.

And of course, Julian's DBZ ABC's are informative, as always.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:32 pm

Son Goku's parental instincts aren't entirely filler. It's just more prominent in the anime more so than the manga.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:03 pm

And what's wrong with that at all? That's the whole point, here... to discuss things. One of the rules of this forum is that if you don't have anything to say, don't bother posting. "A lot of words" is a recurring thing on this forum... I'd say you should probably get used to it.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing! I'm pleasantly surprised!

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:22 pm

Whoops, just going over this discussion and realized that I never really put my comments about this podcast ep. I'm re-listening to it now and agree with the whole Piccolo discussion-- it's the main reason I bought the dang Saga in the first place! What other baddie actually completed his plans?!

Also, in the ep, Meri also mentions some kind of contest on dragonballz.com. FYI, it's basically a random drawing contest for anyone interested in entering. The 7 prize winners will win one of seven authentic dragonballs as well as what they call a "Dragon Ball Z Movie pack" a couple of DBZ videogames, and "a trip to the final event showdown to compete for the amazing grand prize." Since imageshack shrinks my scan from the domestic Shonen Jump, I'll send the scan over to VegettoEX.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:56 pm

I have the latest domestic Jump (dunno why, since my subscription ran out ages ago). Saw for myself. Thanks, though

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DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:44 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I have the latest domestic Jump (dunno why, since my subscription ran out ages ago). Saw for myself. Thanks, though .

Woah, you mentioned that quite a few podcast episodes ago (the movie review episode, I think). I'm surprised some Viz worker guy didn't find out and stop you're subscription.

ChibiKenji · Post by **ChibiKenji** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:17 pm

I've just started listening to the podcasts recently, but I'm really digging the couple I've heard so far. Just finished the most recent one.

I've only got a handful of DBZ DVDs, so remastered releases from Funimation would definitely be good news for me when I eventually get around to collecting the entire series.

Keep up the great work, guys.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:23 pm

Okay. VegetoEX, for the first time in awhile I have some comments on the podcast.

I'm a pretty busy guy, so normally I don't get the time every week to sit and listen to the entire podcast. Normally I listen to the news and part of your topic for the day and then I run out of time. However, I was really captivated by the latest podcast and I was like "Screw this. I'm going to listen to the entire podcast and the rest of my life can wait a few minutes".

So, I'm not exactly sure what you did this time that's so different than any other time, but keep doing it!

Meri · Post by **Meri** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:45 pm

Kendamu wrote: So, I'm not exactly sure what you did this time that's so different than any other time, but keep doing it!

I'm not sure either, and I'm in the podcast! I am thrilled to hear people enjoyed this episode so much, though! I love it when we start digging in to the characters and such. Still, it felt like a regular ol' fun episode to me, so the fact that people seemed to be enjoying this particular one is really awesome. Whatever we did differently in this one, I hope we keep doing it! Just gotta figure out what "it" is.

Sabin Deus · Post by **Sabin Deus** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:58 pm

This was an excellent episode of the padcast, definitely. I've got two responses for it:

One of the absolute top Goku being a great father moments for me is in Movie 9, when he teleports out of hell to punch the guy that was hurting his son. In fact that may have been one of my all time favorite DBZ moments. If anything proves Goku's dedication to his family, it's that scene. I'm really surprised that Meri didn't have that on the list. Dropped the ball there!!

Also, why does Mike have to hate on DBGT? Yes, Super 17 was dumb. But I really enjoyed them bringing back the Tsufurujin lore with Baby. That was a quality story. And really, that's something you guys trashed in an earlier podcast as being "derivative". The thing about the DBZ storylines in the original story is that there's next to nothing tying them together. What did Cell really have to do with Freeza? "I have freeza's cells in me!" Yeah, ok. That's real deep. But to go back and pull out an ancient hatred like the Tsfuru had for the Saiyans... and then build on it. That was awesome.

And as an even better example, the 7 evil dragons. That was by far my favorite storyline in all of Dragon Ball. One of the constants through just about all of DB is the power of the dragon balls, and them always being an existing Deus Ex Machina. Yes, they have done various things to mess with the availability of the balls, such as Kami dying/merging with Piccolo, and the creation of the new balls by Dende, but when they were in the possession of the main characters, the dragon would always show up and grant wishes as usual. But wait! Could it possibly be that they were using the dragon balls too much?? And now they have to deal with the consequences? That was a wonderful plot point. It's great for plot development to turn fundamental assumptions of a universe upside down and see how the characters react. They did that very well in my opinion. And of course the last episode where the negative energy is cleansed and Goku has to go off with Shenlong.. well Mike has said this in the podcast before, but that always brings a tear to my eye.

Wow I just wrote a long post... shows what being bored at work will do.

Meri · Post by **Meri** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:41 pm

Holy crap, that movie 9 scene IS indeed awesome! Yet again, I miss a scene that very well could have placed high on my list

. In the spirit of pointing out such a great scene, you win an official No-Prize! Thanks for bringing that one to our attention!

In terms of the GT storyline involving the Evil Dragons, I think most of us can agree that, despite being a part generally despised GT series, the concept of the Evil Dragons/Dragon Balls in and of itself IS very badass. It COULD have been so much more, considering the uniqueness of the concept. I just think the *execution* of the arc is what caused it to leave a bad taste in our (and by "our", I'm mainly referring to me and Mike) mouths.

One of my most clear memories of my last days of buying fansubs on tape was getting a few DBGT Evil Dragons tapes... and falling asleep in the middle of episodes on more than one occassion (specifically, I think I remember Pan being involved somehow, but I ended up fast-forwarding through the episode when I realized nothing was actually progressing). I think maybe it they got into the meat and potatoes sooner, and maybe dedicated one episode per evil dragon, it wouldn't have been quite as painful to watch.

Just a side note, just because I/we call a plot line derrivative doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed. For example, I personally enjoyed the Super 17 arc to a certain extent (mainly due fact that I always liked #17). On the other hand, I think the Tsufuri-jin concept is both derrivative AND crappy (in GT I mean, not the original plot points in which the Tsufuru-jin are mentioned), so I guess I can't defend that one.

Regardless, I'm not expecting rocket science from ANY DragonBall storyline (you said it yourself; this shit ain't exactly deep). If I want a "deep" show, I'll watch something else. But still, I can enjoy it for what it is, and "what it is" can sometimes be humorusly derrivative (hence the creation of that particular Top 5 List; I make most of them with humor in mind, not to necessarily hate on something. Again, I liked the Super 17 arc overall, despite its blatant flaws. Making fun of stuff I love in DB is something I've been doing ever since the early days of my ToT site, so again, it may come off as harsh, but deep down, I hate because I love!).

But whoa, what the hell am I babbling about anyways? This wasn't even a subject of this podcast, really!

I guess I have a case of that "bored at work" thing, too.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:32 pm

Pretty cool as usual. Like the Ryu-Akuma comparison. Also first time I ever heard anyone pronounce Akuma's name as the way EX did.

Kirbopher · Post by **Kirbopher** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:47 pm

Really liked this one guys. As Mike stated on LJ, it IS a lot of fun to the 'geeking out' and 'overanalzation'. Certainly keeps me intrigued and entertained :3 Can't wait for D.O.N!

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:56 pm

Meri wrote:Yet again, I miss a scene that very well could have placed high on my list .

You might as well start posting your lists here first, so that these cool moments won't be forgotten when recording time comes! Well... I'm not actually suggesting this. ^^;

Meri wrote:I think maybe it they got into the meat and potatoes sooner, and maybe dedicated one episode per evil dragon, it wouldn't have been quite as painful to watch.

Would this really help? I also think the saga was garbage and could have been so much better, but if they actually made it fun to watch, each dragon could have been given a hundred episodes. Or... at least a few.

It's a bad sign when you find that you're keeping your eyes more on the clock than on the subtitles. The entertainment value is equivalent to that of church, those dragons were boring and the main characters were boring. Much of GT had interesting concepts, but when you get down to it, it's just boring.

Comparing the length of GT to Z... 291 to 64 episodes. And yet I didn't actually think DBZ was long. When it ended, I thought "already?" I'm not kidding, I wanted to flip the page and read more about Goku training Uub. But I thought GT was 60 episodes longer than it should have been.

Edit: I guess there's a topic on GT and why it sucks already. Sorry for derailing.

Bardock-EX · Post by **Bardock-EX** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:23 pm

Hey Vegetto,
Thanks for talking about the Ultimate Uncut stuff. The Word must be told, this crap is not fair to us loyal fans who use our money to buy dvds so they can make us more!