Unpopular DB opinions

[DBZ Mick]

I actually dislike #17 and #18. They have cool design but they are so dull. They beat up the heroes, then go driving for a couple of chapters until Cell absorbs them. Lame.

God, yes. Terrible characters if only Toriyama gave them backstory, anything to make them more interesting. At least their future counterparts showed why they need to be stopped but the present ones who are apparently stronger than those future counterparts just go joyriding.

[Ninja Murasaki]

Yeah, if you want to make things up to make Yamcha look better. If he said that Yamcha was a cheater, I see no reason why to not believe him.

Now you're make accusations all over again.

Once again, the quote you keep relying on is totally second hand and seems to be contradicted by a first hand interview.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Because it is a contradiction to Yamcha being a playboy.

So you're not actually going to answer my question, then?

I just did.

He has said that he considers the movies in a different dimension than the manga.

Source? And he's probably referring to the movies that retell the series.

Dramatic way the attack is shown? What is that even supposed to mean?

If it was just random unskilled KI blasts, why would they make such a big deal of it, and end the chapter with Krillin firing the attack?

Not really, it's just the way he's directing the blast. It's not suggested to be any stronger than a regular ki blast. And even if it is, Yamcha still looks terrible in comparison, since Krillin can casually produce six blasts stronger than his Kamehameha.

No other KI blasts acts in such a way.

Actually the way Krillin produced the blasts was far from casual.

That sounds less like it was holding back, and more like he's surprised that it lost. It holding back makes no sense given the power gaps and what Nappa said.

Nappa was surprised it lost.

Vegeta was annoyed it hadn't taken its enemy seriously. His words were to the remaining Saibamen telling to give their all.

No, he was specifically surprised by Ten easily defeating it and surpassing it in pure power. Not that he was close.

No, he was surprised that a human could even be a threat, he thought the humans were nothing to his forces. Nappa immediately dismissed the possibility of Raditz losing to a human, and immediately guesses it must've been Piccolo.

The blade could have just been really sharp.

Doubtful.

Chi-Chi threw it a good distance as well.

It was right before, not that much earlier.

Actually they'd been standing for a while. They got up called their boss, waited till he came, when he transformed Bulma, and then attacked Goku.

If you said "in my opinion, what Toriyama said here doesn't fit with what he said there", that wouldn't be a lie. However, just saying "he directly contradicted it" is indeed a lie.

I said I felt it was a big contradiction, which it does appear to be. You just can't accept others having a different opinion.

No, I'm expressing my annoyance with fans who'd rather make things up than accept information from the author.

See now you're attacking other people again.

Its been stated why people have the opinion they do. Your opinion is no more valid then theirs.

And if you want to know what Toriyama would think, I'm sure he'd find it silly that fans fight other fans over the series.

[Kid Buu]

I actually dislike #17 and #18. They have cool design but they are so dull. They beat up the heroes, then go driving for a couple of chapters until Cell absorbs them. Lame.

God, yes. Terrible characters if only Toriyama gave them backstory, anything to make them more interesting. At least their future counterparts showed why they need to be stopped but the present ones who are apparently stronger than those future counterparts just go joyriding.

A backstory, a personality, and actual personal connection to the characters would have been nice.

[goku the krump dancer]

Well Revenge of King Piccolo still sucks and I keep forgetting to mention that I love the intro to the first Legacy of Goku, especially the first ten seconds.

[thatdbzguy]

I think Buu and Pinkie Pie would make a great couple.

[ABED]

God, yes. Terrible characters if only Toriyama gave them backstory, anything to make them more interesting. At least their future counterparts showed why they need to be stopped but the present ones who are apparently stronger than those future counterparts just go joyriding.

A backstory isn't a magic elixir. A number of great characters don't have much of a backstory. I'm not sure how much more interesting they would be with a more interesting backstory if you don't find their personalities interesting. The point Toriyama was making was that they weren't like their more violent counterparts, something in the timeline had changed.

[KentalSSJ6]

God, yes. Terrible characters if only Toriyama gave them backstory, anything to make them more interesting. At least their future counterparts showed why they need to be stopped but the present ones who are apparently stronger than those future counterparts just go joyriding.

A backstory isn't a magic elixir. A number of great characters don't have much of a backstory. I'm not sure how much more interesting they would be with a more interesting backstory if you don't find their personalities interesting. The point Toriyama was making was that they weren't like their more violent counterparts, something in the timeline had changed.

Imagine if Lunch became Android 18.

[baneofdemon22]

That would have been so tragic, but very interesting! It could have had a lot of fun scenes with the guys coaxing Tien to help bring her to her senses or something, because of her past crush on him. Krillin could still marry her and it would make that even more interesting for me. I would love that. Bulma may have "missed the boat on Goku", but Krillin could still get involved with Launch.

[ABED]

God, yes. Terrible characters if only Toriyama gave them backstory, anything to make them more interesting. At least their future counterparts showed why they need to be stopped but the present ones who are apparently stronger than those future counterparts just go joyriding.

A backstory isn't a magic elixir. A number of great characters don't have much of a backstory. I'm not sure how much more interesting they would be with a more interesting backstory if you don't find their personalities interesting. The point Toriyama was making was that they weren't like their more violent counterparts, something in the timeline had changed.

Imagine if Lunch became Android 18.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

[DBZAOTA482]

]Imagine if Lunch became Android 18.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

I think what he's trying to say that image if Lunch were to be the one who was reprogrammed into being #18.

[TheGmGoken]

]Imagine if Lunch became Android 18.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

I think what he's trying to say that image if Lunch were to be the one who was reprogrammed into being #18.

Would explain where she went in the manga. But would create MAJOR plot holes for the anime.

[ABED]

]Imagine if Lunch became Android 18.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

I think what he's trying to say that image if Lunch were to be the one who was reprogrammed into being #18.

I got that, but what does that response have to do with my point?

[TheGmGoken]

]I got that, but what does that response have to do with my point?

Guessing it has to deal with 18 and 17 having more of a back-story.

[RandomGuy96]

Now you're make accusations all over again.

Once again, the quote you keep relying on is totally second hand and seems to be contradicted by a first hand interview.

It's not contradicted at all. I don't know how many times I need to repeat that.

Because it is a contradiction to Yamcha being a playboy.

No, it's not. Again, I don't think you know what that word means.

I just did.

No, you didn't. Tell me why the Viz manga's translation of that quote is unreliable.

Source? And he's probably referring to the movies that retell the series.

What is your personal stance on Dragon Ball’s theatrical films, Sensei?
I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the manga”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/
No, he just says the movies in general.

If it was just random unskilled KI blasts, why would they make such a big deal of it, and end the chapter with Krillin firing the attack?

Because Yamcha just died and Krillin is strong enough to kill the Saibamen.

No other KI blasts acts in such a way.

Actually the way Krillin produced the blasts was far from casual.

I'll change the wording to easily then, because he certainly produced those six easily when you consider that Yamcha's Kamehameha couldn't kill one of those things.

Nappa was surprised it lost.

Vegeta was annoyed it hadn't taken its enemy seriously. His words were to the remaining Saibamen telling to give their all.

Yes.

Again, even the quote you gave doesn't have to be interpreted that way, and in fact makes less sense when you do so. Again, what translation was this?

No, he was surprised that a human could even be a threat, he thought the humans were nothing to his forces. Nappa immediately dismissed the possibility of Raditz losing to a human, and immediately guesses it must've been Piccolo.

He saw Ten floor the Saibaman and screamed "IMPOSSIBLE!".

Doubtful.

Chi-Chi threw it a good distance as well.

But not impossible or even improbable.

Light AND sharp.

Actually they'd been standing for a while. They got up called their boss, waited till he came, when he transformed Bulma, and then attacked Goku.

And in none of that time could they heal or recover from the beating Goku gave them.

I said I felt it was a big contradiction, which it does appear to be. You just can't accept others having a different opinion.

No, you said that it was contradicted, not that you thought that.

See now you're attacking other people again.

Its been stated why people have the opinion they do. Your opinion is no more valid then theirs.

And if you want to know what Toriyama would think, I'm sure he'd find it silly that fans fight other fans over the series.

Yeah, I don't like when people make things up and try to dismiss the author just defend a character they like. I'll call people out when they do it. So?

It's not my opinion, it's Toriyama's.

[ABED]

]I got that, but what does that response have to do with my point?

Guessing it has to deal with 18 and 17 having more of a back-story.

Then my point still stands. Having Lunch be the one that was turned into 18 isn't more interesting because now 18 has a backstory. Whatever interest there is comes from a character the audience knows already. Would that even qualify as backstory? Wouldn't that just be story?

[MediaFanGirl93]

I dislike Gotenks because to me, he's a pompous, annoying a$$hole who thinks he's so tough, but get his ass handed to him/. Fans overrate the guy, yet hate on other characters and I find it annoying.

Sure you may say Vegeto acted the same, but Vegeto at least is strong enough to back his arrogance up and at least he goofed off on purpose to save Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks.

[RandomGuy96]

I dislike Gotenks because to me, he's a pompous, annoying a$$hole who thinks he's so tough, but get his ass handed to him/. Fans overrate the guy, yet hate on other characters and I find it annoying.

Sure you may say Vegeto acted the same, but Vegeto at least is strong enough to back his arrogance up and at least he goofed off on purpose to save Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks.

And Gotenks wasn't? He was kicking Buu around the landscape. Vegetto's plan was stupid, failed, and got everybody killed, including him (sort of) so he's really not so different from Gotenks. It only had some positive effects because of something Vegetto wasn't even expecting (finding Buu inside Buu).

Anyway, is that really an unpopular opinion? Most people I've seen hate Gotenks.

[goku the krump dancer]

Vegetto's plan was stupid, failed, and got everybody killed,

Same for Gotenks. Oh I discovered a new transformation lets play around for no reason what so ever. And because of this act of foolishness the door to the RoSaT is destroyed, Bulma and the others are killed and he and Piccolo get absorbed.

I don't hate him but if your gonna call Vegetto's plan stupid then, Gotenks must be a blethering idiot.

Also I think Chi Chi is adorable.

[RandomGuy96]

Vegetto's plan was stupid, failed, and got everybody killed,

Same for Gotenks. Oh I discovered a new transformation lets play around for no reason what so ever. And because of this act of foolishness the door to the RoSaT is destroyed, Bulma and the others are killed and he and Piccolo get absorbed.

I don't hate him but if your gonna call Vegetto's plan stupid then, Gotenks must be a blethering idiot.

so he's really not so different from Gotenks

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I dislike Gotenks because to me, he's a pompous, annoying a$$hole who thinks he's so tough, but get his ass handed to him/. Fans overrate the guy, yet hate on other characters and I find it annoying.

Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of Gotenks either.

I think Buu and Pinkie Pie would make a great couple.

Given the nature of this question, I'm a bit hesitant to ask...but who or what is 'Pinkie Pie'?