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Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:09 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:South Kaioshin vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
South Kaioshin..I believe he beats anything of the SSJ2 tier and lower.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:17 pm

Raditz vs Tarble
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:31 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Raditz vs Tarble
Done to death but Raditz. Tarble not a fighter and was weak
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:33 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Raditz vs Tarble
Done to death but Raditz. Tarble not a fighter and was weak
Do the guides say anything about him? Does he even get a mandatory "what is this ki?" line?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:35 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Raditz vs Tarble
Done to death but Raditz. Tarble not a fighter and was weak
Do the guides say anything about him? Does he even get a mandatory "what is this ki?" line?
He got the line....from Roshi, Krillin, or 18
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Post by dbgtFO » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:39 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Raditz vs Tarble
I would imagine Tarble's power to be somewhere in the low hundreds, perhaps even smaller than that, so Raditz takes this quite easily.
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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:26 pm

Tarble wins this.

Not only did he get the "This is a powerful/big Ki" line from the Z warriors but Ava and Cado said that he actually gave them trouble before.

I have him at 400K.
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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:10 am

Yajirobe Vs Chaotzu

Chichi Vs King Chappa

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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:15 am

Yajirobe and Chichi win their battles.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:17 am

Yajirobe gets frozen by Chiaotzu's powers. Chiaotzu stops his heart or just holds him until he gives up.

Chi Chi stomps Chappa with no less ease than Goku.
Not only did he get the "This is a powerful/big Ki" line from the Z warriors but Ava and Cado said that he actually gave them trouble before.
Wait, really? Where? What's the exact line and what translation were you getting that from? I heard that a statement where they said something like "You gave us a lot of trouble by making us come all the way here to get you" was mistranslated into something like that.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:40 am

Forget it, your right. Damn.. Then I have no clue where to put him.

a) He has battle them before and survived.
b) Krillin did say a big ki is near.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:53 am

Zombie wrote:Forget it, your right. Damn.. Then I have no clue where to put him.

a) He has battle them before and survived.
b) Krillin did say a big ki is near.
A. we don't really know how it went. I highly, highly doubt that he's anywhere close to them in any case, even while low-ending Abo and Kado to be only 1st form Freeza level.

B. even a power level of 100 would technically be "big", as that term is so vague.

Did the movie specifically say he was exiled because he was weak, rather than being a wuss? And if so, weak in general, or weak by the standards of his super-elite family? His royal blood might make him strong, as power is implied to be genetic in saiyans.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:55 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Zombie wrote:Forget it, your right. Damn.. Then I have no clue where to put him.

a) He has battle them before and survived.
b) Krillin did say a big ki is near.
A. we don't really know how it went. I highly, highly doubt that he's anywhere close to them in any case, even while low-ending Abo and Kado to be only 1st form Freeza level.

B. even a power level of 100 would technically be "big", as that term is so vague.

Did the movie specifically say he was exiled because he was weak, rather than being a wuss? And if so, weak in general, or weak by the standards of his super-elite family? His royal blood might make him strong, as power is implied to be genetic in saiyans.
I have no idea what was said in the special but in the manga: (link to bootleg scanlation site removed by administrator)

Vegeta says he wasn't suited for battle. I will just have him 10 times as strong as Vegeta when he arrived to Earth.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:10 am

Kid Buu wrote:Yajirobe Vs Chaotzu

Chichi Vs King Chappa

23rd Budokai era.
Yajirobe sits on Chaotzu.

Chi-Chi one-shots Chappa.

Another fight:

Piccolo (Cell Games) w/o weights vs. SSJ Goten (Pre-ROSAT)
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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:27 pm

As much as I hate it, the kids beat Piccolo even on the Buu saga.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:47 pm

Wow, do you hate Piccolo? Goten slaughters him.

180,000? Why have Tarble so strong?
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:50 pm

Piccolo (Cell Games) w/o weights vs. SSJ Goten (Pre-ROSAT)
While Goten is stronger IMO, I don't believe that Goten is strong enough to easily KO him, and Piccolo is far more experienced & skilled, while Goten is not experienced and not very skilled. So, with Piccolo having attacks like Makankosappo, Hellzone Grenade, and Light Grenade, he can pull a win, but not easily.
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Post by ZombieVito » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:14 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Wow, do you hate Piccolo? Goten slaughters him.
No.. I hate the fact those kids can beat Piccolo.
RandomGuy96 wrote: 180,000? Why have Tarble so strong?
Why not? He had more than 30 years to get there. At that level he would still be trash to a 500K opponent.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:17 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote: 180,000? Why have Tarble so strong?
Why not? He had more than 30 years to get there. At that level he would still be trash to a 500K opponent.
Nappa had at least that long, wasn't considered to be a weakling, and he was at 4 thousand. 180 thousand seems far to high for Tarble.

For that matter, how old was Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc? Mid 20's? And he was just at 18 thousand. Why would Tarble have grown stronger so much faster than his brother or Nappa?
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:19 pm

Zombie wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Wow, do you hate Piccolo? Goten slaughters him.
No.. I hate the fact those kids can beat Piccolo.
RandomGuy96 wrote: 180,000? Why have Tarble so strong?
Why not? He had more than 30 years to get there. At that level he would still be trash to a 500K opponent.
I was talking to the guy that posted the match-up.

Why not? Because before Vegeta and Goku got out of control with their zenkais, no saiyan in history could ever become nearly that strong. And Tarble was supposed to be a weakling to boot.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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