Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by Saiga » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:16 am

That's not the Masenko Piccolo is using (and it's probably not the Masenko Gohan is using there, either). Just a generic ki blast.

@RandomGuy True, there isn't much separating them, but a different name and stance (and anime colour) is enough for me honestly. I would have preferred if Gohan kept the Masenko and instead used the Kamehameha for 'big' attacks (since at the Cell Games, suddenly the Kamehameha turns into a powerful technique) even if there's very little difference. And it means a little more consistency in the generic beams if individuals characters constantly use them in their own way.
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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by TenshiGokuu » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:31 am

Well if it takes Goku a few seconds to learn a kamehameha wave, which took others like master roshi 50 years to learn.And for Goku to master instant transmission took almost a year. then i guess maybe its because its pretty difficult to master IT. that's what makes Goku special. its can be pretty badly abused when anyone can just travel across a galaxy in like a second.So it is a pretty much become exclusive technique that Goku and supreme kai's can only use.

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by Friezacooler » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:10 am

it takes cooler level character to master the instant Transmission and Kid buu level character to copy the supreme kai version. Super buu and Gotenks have their own versions in a different way 8) .

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by Cipher » Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:36 am

So, there's also the possibility that he can't.

He had to spend nearly a year on an alien planet to learn it directly from its practitioners. He may be able to use it, but not be nuanced in it enough to teach it. For that matter, we have no idea what was even involved in learning it, or if it may have required something unique to Yardrat or its inhabitants.

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:36 am

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Wait, what attack is Piccolo Jr using in the above image?
Masenko. Hence the Gohan comparison
No, this isn't the Masenko.

That's a Masenko:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:39 am

Cipher wrote:So, there's also the possibility that he can't.

He had to spend nearly a year on an alien planet to learn it directly from its practitioners. He may be able to use it, but not be nuanced in it enough to teach it. For that matter, we have no idea what was even involved in learning it, or if it may have required something unique to Yardrat or its inhabitants.
They had to mind sex Goku for two years straight. Calling it right now.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by flashback0180 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:51 am

goku has a nack for learning martial arts and ki teachnics faster than everyone else

Kamehameha less than 10 seconds,
Controlling spirit energy (splitting water,fire) less than 24 hours.
After image technique less than 5 seconds.

etc....


If he himself took a year to learn Instant transmission ,It's possible he thought others couldn't master it.
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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by Goku111 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:44 pm

Well it is not like anyone asked him to use it and everyone thought it was impressive but they wanted to use their own abilities to get by

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Re: Why Didn't Goku Teach Anyone Instant Transmission?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:51 am

Saiga wrote:That's not the Masenko Piccolo is using (and it's probably not the Masenko Gohan is using there, either). Just a generic ki blast.

@RandomGuy True, there isn't much separating them, but a different name and stance (and anime colour) is enough for me honestly. I would have preferred if Gohan kept the Masenko and instead used the Kamehameha for 'big' attacks (since at the Cell Games, suddenly the Kamehameha turns into a powerful technique) even if there's very little difference. And it means a little more consistency in the generic beams if individuals characters constantly use them in their own way.
It does, but I just don't see why it matters if there's so little different about them to begin with. Gohan really doesn't have any unique techniques; he just has two big ki blasts taken from other fighters, that have the same function as dozens of other generic attacks.

I was actually surprised to see Piccolo never used the Masenko. I always assumed he used it before Gohan, probably due to the name.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by Duo » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:12 pm

I believe we see Piccolo use the Masenko against Raditz (first meeting), and also against final form Freeza when they're all trying to hit him.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:08 pm

Duo wrote:I believe we see Piccolo use the Masenko against Raditz (first meeting), and also against final form Freeza when they're all trying to hit him.
Nah, the stance was clearly alluding to his father's ultimate attack and the guided one, he used against Goku.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by Duo » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:14 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Duo wrote:I believe we see Piccolo use the Masenko against Raditz (first meeting), and also against final form Freeza when they're all trying to hit him.
Nah, the stance was clearly alluding to his father's ultimate attack and the guided one, he used against Goku.
Which example are you referring to?

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by Saiga » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:20 pm

I think Piccolo is using what the video games call "Bakurikimaha" which is also a technique Daimao used (at the very least it looks very similar). The above example doesn't really match either technique to me.
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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by Retan » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:20 am

Did goku ever come up with any of his own attacks?

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:26 am

Do variants of the Kamehameha count? Or that one combo he used as a kid? If not, then no. They were taken from Roshi, Kaio, Ten, Krillin, and the Yardratians.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:41 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Do variants of the Kamehameha count? Or that one combo he used as a kid? If not, then no. They were taken from Roshi, Kaio, Ten, Krillin, and the Yardratians.
Well Goku did KINDA make Fpssj. KINDA. It was his idea. Also Goku made dragon fist if you count GT and movies.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by Duo » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:09 am

I guess Goku's niche is taking the techniques of others and doing them better than anybody else. Kind of cheapens his appeal a bit, though. Super Saiyan grade 4 is a weakish example because it's just Super Saiyan with an even more fierce aura when you get down to it - taking an established ability/transformation and making it better.

Thought I guess you could give him credit for being the first to go Super Saiyan, so he's an "inventor" of sorts for unlocking it.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:10 am

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Do variants of the Kamehameha count? Or that one combo he used as a kid? If not, then no. They were taken from Roshi, Kaio, Ten, Krillin, and the Yardratians.
Well Goku did KINDA make Fpssj. KINDA. It was his idea. Also Goku made dragon fist if you count GT and movies.
...FPPSS isn't a thing. It's just the regular Super Saiyan form, not a whole separate transformation. That's not inventing a new technique, that's finding an efficient training method.
Thought I guess you could give him credit for being the first to go Super Saiyan, so he's an "inventor" of sorts for unlocking it
Well technically Bardock would be- (is shot)
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:43 am

RandomGuy96 wrote: ...FPPSS isn't a thing. It's just the regular Super Saiyan form, not a whole separate transformation. That's not inventing a new technique, that's finding an efficient training method.
It is separated in various guidebooks as Super Saiyan Full Power/Grade 4 thought. It's more like an upgrade & replacement of the Super Saiyan Grade 1 form.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why didn't Goku teach anyone teleportation?

Post by MDSTSSJ » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:46 am

Because Goku thinks more as a fighter and every fighter does not teach all his techniques to everyone!

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