Why the Broly hate?

[Hellspawn28]

While I like DBZ Movie 8, I find his character to be generic. He hates Goku because of crying and that was it. His character design is nothing that special since he is just another bulky character seen before with Super #13 and Garlic Jr. The idea of going crazy over crying as a baby was stupid and why don't they just settle it personally? Bring back Broli more then once was a bad idea. Movie 10 was nothing special and Movie 11 was god awful. While Metal Coola was a rehash of Mecha Freeza, at least they did something new with him.

On that i agree. Movie 8 was good, 10 decent and 11 was just... bleah.

I think a better question would be "why the movie 11 hate?". I mean seriously, it's the best out of the three.

The movie was boring, stupid and unnecessary. Why didn't they just make a original villain then bring back Broli for the third time. The ending him getting killed by water comes off as lazy. You also had #18 being out of character and unfunny moments with Kid Trunks. The only good thing about Movie 11 that I can think of is the parts with Mr. Satan and that's it. Bio Broli should never been made and it's still the worst DBZ movie ever made in my opinion. Broli Broli is the Alien Resurrection of the DBZ movies in my opinion.

[Gyt Kaliba]

You also had #18 being out of character and unfunny moments with Kid Trunks.

Where was #18 out of character in movie 11?

[orbweaver]

To me, broly was only interesting for the same reason Cell was... Because of what he brought out in the protagonists.
I also enjoyed seeing more Saiyan/Planet Vegeta backstory. I can't get enough of that. And it's always fun seeing Vegeta get character exposition moments (what does he do when offered a kingdom? What's scary enough to turn him into a quivering puddle of fear?). Piccolo also had a couple of great moments. Goku was Goku, what more can I say.

But Broly himself could've been done so much better... He lacked depth beyond "ugh UNGGGHHH aaauuuggggghhhh grrrrrrr".

[goku the krump dancer]

Broly is the Call of Duty of the DBZ world. There isn't much to him, but he's likable, depending on the type of person you are. A lot of the "average" fans rage around and celebrate the character while the more "mature" fans (so to speak) either loath him because of how overrated he is or remain neutral and just don't think much of him. The Budokai 3 intro was the first Modern Warfare for Broly, and thats what sky rocketed his popularity even more. Plus he's the only evil Super Saiyan.

With that said, I like Broly a helluva lot more than many people here. I'm sort of a sucker for raging killing machines though, which is why I like Janemba and Kid Boo is my favorite incarnation of him. Ironically I hate Call of Duty and I think it should die.lol

Dont get me wrong, I love intellectual villains too or at least stories with a more advance vocabulary.. but thats not what this thread is about.


.... For the Broly haters

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[crisis]

I think Broly's motivations would've been a lot better if instead of him holding a vendetta against Goku for crying when he was a baby, it should've been him hating Goku for defeating Frieza. Broly should've felt that Frieza being defeated by the Legendary Super Saiyan was HIS birthright, and Goku stole that from him, that's all. Way better motivation than what we got, IMO.

[Flame Dragon]

Broly is the Call of Duty of the DBZ world. There isn't much to him, but he's likable, depending on the type of person you are. A lot of the "average" fans rage around and celebrate the character while the more "mature" fans (so to speak) either loath him because of how overrated he is or remain neutral and just don't think much of him. The Budokai 3 intro was the first Modern Warfare for Broly, and thats what sky rocketed his popularity even more. Plus he's the only evil Super Saiyan.

With that said, I like Broly a helluva lot more than many people here. I'm sort of a sucker for raging killing machines though, which is why I like Janemba and Kid Boo is my favorite incarnation of him. Ironically I hate Call of Duty and I think it should die.lol

Dont get me wrong, I love intellectual villains too or at least stories with a more advance vocabulary.. but thats not what this thread is about.


.... For the Broly haters

Spoiler:

I love insane characters too I think they should have played the rage factor of SSJ more, at least before FPSSJ.

[DBZAOTA482]

You also had #18 being out of character and unfunny moments with Kid Trunks.

Where was #18 out of character in movie 11?

She pretty much did nothing but be a total bitch throughout the entire film who kept extorting money from Mr. Satan at every chance she got.

[Duo]

She pretty much did nothing but be a total bitch throughout the entire film who kept extorting money from Mr. Satan at every chance she got.

Did...did you watch the 25th Tenka'ichi Budokai..?

[Gyt Kaliba]

...Yeah...no offense, but...I...don't see how that's out of character. It's a follow up of exactly what she did to him in the tournament.

[DBZAOTA482]

She pretty much did nothing but be a total bitch throughout the entire film who kept extorting money from Mr. Satan at every chance she got.

Did...did you watch the 25th Tenka'ichi Budokai..?

Yes but it's not just that (though they still flanderized that aspect of her personality). She was also pretty insensitive to Kuririn when he was being concerned for her safety.

[DBZ Mick]

Mainly the annoying impulsive teenage fans he had. I remember getting into an argument with one and they get all person, it's kinda worrying.

I liked Movie #8 until the fighting started and then it got boring. Same with Movie #10. I enjoyed Movie #11 because it was actually enjoyable during the fighting moments and find it the best, I haven't seen the original Japanese, but FUNi's dialogue made it like a B-Grade movie which made it super enjoyable.

[andrewtuell1991]

I think it would've been better if in his first movie, he had gone after Vegeta instead. Think about it, he sees Vegeta's face and it reminds him of the man who stabbed him in the freaking chest as a baby, he goes insane thinking Vegeta is King Vegeta, and goes after Vegeta instead. And maybe, Vegeta could have been the one to kill Broly rather than everyone having to rely on dumb-hick man-child again.

Come to think of it, why did King Vegeta need to use a dagger anyways? Couldn't he have just thrown Baby Broly in the air and ki blasted him, sparing the audience 3 mediocre movies?

I actually think Broly should've been the villain in Movie 12 instead of Janemba, Movie 11 instead using a new random monster. People would've enjoyed seeing an overpowered Broly in Hell causing havoc leaving Goku, Paikuhan, and Vegeta to stop him. And, it would've finally ended the debate that Gogeta is stronger than Broly, lol.

I remember something very interesting mentioned in a thread a few years back. If the villain of Movie 11 was a Broly clone, then wouldn't there be 2 Brolys in hell?

[Gyt Kaliba]

I actually think Broly should've been the villain in Movie 12 instead of Janemba, Movie 11 instead using a new random monster. People would've enjoyed seeing an overpowered Broly in Hell causing havoc leaving Goku, Paikuhan, and Vegeta to stop him. And, it would've finally ended the debate that Gogeta is stronger than Broly, lol.

I remember something very interesting mentioned in a thread a few years back. If the villain of Movie 11 was a Broly clone, then wouldn't there be 2 Brolys in hell?

I remember that thread, heh. We debated about if the two Brolys would fuse into 'Brololi'. I still think it makes sense, there's not really anything to indicate that the clone Broly wouldn't have his own soul since other created beings like Cell seem to.

[TheGmGoken]

I actually think Broly should've been the villain in Movie 12 instead of Janemba, Movie 11 instead using a new random monster. People would've enjoyed seeing an overpowered Broly in Hell causing havoc leaving Goku, Paikuhan, and Vegeta to stop him. And, it would've finally ended the debate that Gogeta is stronger than Broly, lol.

I remember something very interesting mentioned in a thread a few years back. If the villain of Movie 11 was a Broly clone, then wouldn't there be 2 Brolys in hell?

Don't give Toei any ideas..... . Imagine if they actually make this....

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I like Broli, he has a cool fighting style, he has cool designs, and I like villains that are mindless killing machines.

But his fan base is terrible, but it's not their fault. We have video games that have him fighting evenly with SS Gogeta, who is believed by many (including the video game developers) to be as strong as Vegetto, who was the most powerful character in DBZ (before BoG), and he is also one of the strongest character even in-game.

People would've enjoyed seeing an overpowered Broly in Hell causing havoc leaving Goku, Paikuhan, and Vegeta to stop him. And, it would've finally ended the debate that Gogeta is stronger than Broly, lol.

Goku & Paikuhan were required to stop Broli in Hell in Movie 11, and since Goku said that the only one that forced him to use Super Saiyan 3 before Janenba was Majin Boo, since SS2 Gohan wasn't strong enough to even scratch Broli, and since Goku isn't that far from Gohan when they are in the same form, it is logical to assume that Goku used Super Saiyan 2 against Broli, and needed Paikuhan's help.

[dodge2461]

My problem with Broly isn't the character himself, but his ungodly loyal fanbase. So many people have tried to convince me that he is the strongest DBZ character, that it's shameful. "Broly is 10x stronger than SSJ3!!!", "Broly is stronger than SSJG!!!!" are some of the more facepalm-able arguments I've heard regarding him. I feel that he is just a boring character. He was incredibly dull, and didn't live up to that image the fanbase had built in my head.

[crisis]

It's all this kid's fault

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

For most professional critique, I believe that he's mostly hated for having a crappy storyline its his lack of a valid reason to solely hate and pursue Goku was not explained, explored or justified making his a bland and annoying character to listen to. His lack of complexity and shallow dialogue being nothing besides "Imma kill you kakarot" makes him look even worse. I'd like to believe Broly has some sort of depth in his psychosis but because its never elaboorated on and left as him just being OP with that as his appeal alone makes him boring to sit through. Hes just a terrible character. Looks cool but has no personality at all. He is same negative trope super Buu/Kid buu embodies. There would be NO reason for Broly to get this edge if the Vegeta plot happened. He is obviously one of these characters where Toriyama thought of the persona before the plot.

Then theres the fanboys of these characters who create useless debates about how strong broly should be either overrating him or overestimating him compared to the actual fact. The myths created by these fans are what makes discussing the topic often nerve-pusshing. On the other end, theres the worship he has in most of the already shitty fanfics he's always featured in. No matter how strong Goku is at max, somehow Broly matches it regardless of feasibility. . I just find it really annoying how people tend to exaggerate his power immensely. Browse the forum for 5 minutes and you'll find threads pitting him against everyone from Cell to Gogeta. Like Majin Buu, he just feels like a shallow archetype of a typical fan-made character from an unimaginative, adolescent DBZ fan, who most likely thinks AF is a good idea.

The way Dragonball Multiverse puts him on par with SSJ2 Vegito is ridiculous. Vegito should have no trouble with Broly at all, but apparently it takes SSJ3 Vegito.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The way Dragonball Multiverse puts him on par with SSJ2 Vegito is ridiculous. Vegito should have no trouble with Broly at all, but apparently it takes SSJ3 Vegito.

It makes sense actually, since DBM Broli's strength increases after every second.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

The way Dragonball Multiverse puts him on par with SSJ2 Vegito is ridiculous. Vegito should have no trouble with Broly at all, but apparently it takes SSJ3 Vegito.

It makes sense actually, since DBM Broli's strength increases after every second.

I wont even get into how much I've heard them Broly fanboys state this as fact.