Why do so many American fans hate Kai?

[TheGmGoken]

DBZ was very close to the manga, it just added material. It was rare when it diverted from the manga.

Yeah. I'll give credit that Dbz was basically the manga animated but / more. If you reanimated it would be just MOSTLY same scenes in....HD

[ABED]

One positive from a fully reanimated DBZ would be that some episode no longer end in akward places.

Still, I like that Kai is just edited footage. I can more easily imagine what DBZ would've been with a good dub.

[orbweaver]

Ehhh... as an American fan who saw the original in 99-2000 or so (and I was in my 20s at that, so I'm probably one of the oldest people in this fandom), seen various parts of it over and over, and has been watching Kai... Kai is six to one, half dozen the other. The things I dislike are disliked because I have the original to compare them to.

The English "Dragon Soul" opening song is very kiddie to me. I miss Vegeta's old theme. I actually *liked* some of the filler that was there - it added emotional context and helped develop the characters. Plus some of it was just fun, like Goku and Piccolo having driving lessons. Things in Kai almost happen too fast, racing from one part of the story to the next. Bulma's voice for some reason is really annoying to me.

However, I like Kai's English dub *much more* than the original dub. Everyone has matured and gotten a feeling for their character, the characters are way less overacted (something I always made fun of with the original is that everyone sounded way too enthusiastic and chipper all the time), and also that jarring dissonance when Vegeta's voice actor swaps out isn't there because it's the same actor throughout. And also, Kai's fight scenes are less epic but they're also less tedious.


The soundtrack? It's not better, it's not worse... it's just different.

[RocktheDragon]

DBZ was very close to the manga, it just added material. It was rare when it diverted from the manga.

Yeah. I'll give credit that Dbz was basically the manga animated but / more. If you reanimated it would be just MOSTLY same scenes in....HD

Really? DBZ was basically the manga but more? The original DBZ anime, though it has a place deep within my heart and my utmost respect, has way too much extra content in it for me to enjoy watching it consistently. Things drag out for far too long for me. I can't remember where I read this information (it might have very well been on Kanzenshuu's main website) but someone mentioned that they missed the sense of dread that the original DBZ anime provided to them because of how long events would take to get underway. I don't feel the same at all when considering that observation. Watching Kai is exactly what I need when I want to watch the series and even then Kai sometimes even offers me some filler I'd rather do without. I like the immediacy of Kai and it is so engaging and that much more enjoyable for me because of it (and for my wife as well).

[TheGmGoken]

You just proved me right. Dbz anime made things longer and added more things. As I said. It's just the manga plus more.

[ABED]

even then Kai sometimes even offers me some filler I'd rather do without.

Such as?

[Mewzard]

The English "Dragon Soul" opening song is very kiddie to me.

Uh...you have heard the original DBZ theme, haven't you?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/lyrics/ja-cha_la/

Besides, Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Kai is a kids show. It was intended for kids, aired in places kids watch, and watched by kids.

[DBZAOTA482]

even then Kai sometimes even offers me some filler I'd rather do without.

Such as?

Well, it still has many of the cutaways to Bulma being a colossal cunt on Namek, and a lot of Mr. Satan's antics with his sheepish pupils are left in.

[TheGmGoken]

even then Kai sometimes even offers me some filler I'd rather do without.

Such as?

Ginyu taking over Bulma is one that I don't enjoy honestly.

[ABED]

Gotcha on Bulma, but that was probably left in not because they wanted to, but because it would've been hard to cut around. I don't mind cutaways to Mr. Satan.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Nostalgia. That's all. A lot of them are blinded by it. Even to the point of saying(I know it's their opinion) that Sean in Z was better than Sean in Kai.

A lot of them hate it because the dialogue isnt on par with what they remember, and the fact they changed the "He made me evil" speech for Vegeta. It destroys their invision of what they thought the series was.

Then there are the people who hated the filler but want it back because its gone and the people that can't comprehend the existance of an Uncut version or that Toonzai's dub isnt the official dub.

[Nanotchi]

Nostalgia. Kai isn't the DBZ they grew up with, so they hate it.

The various misinformation about Kai ("kiddie" DBZ, anyone?) doesn't help either.

Oh yeah, I'm sick of hearing that. I know that quite a few local people, whenever I mention Kai, they bring up blue popo and "crudely drawn shorts vegeta" and how things were censored. Ironically, the uncensored Kai dub is more mature then the original dub. I also know one other person, who just says "I've tried to watch Kai, and it's just not the same." (...ok?)

[Flame Dragon]

Nostalgia. That's all. A lot of them are blinded by it. Even to the point of saying(I know it's their opinion) that Sean in Z was better than Sean in Kai.

A lot of them hate it because the dialogue isnt on par with what they remember, and the fact they changed the "He made me evil" speech for Vegeta. It destroys their invision of what they thought the series was.

That speech was really retarded, and also how Goku decided to spare the evil killer Vegeta because he felt some "good" in him and wanted to give him the opportunity to repent for his sins and turn him to the good side.

Goku is not Jesus for fuck sakes. And there's no way Goku could know Vegeta would really become good, unless the Z Warriors in the Funi dub brainwash him or something.

[JEFFMAN219]

Its because they are not real fans of dbz they just watch for nestalgia purposes and they care about how kais script is accurate they just want that Bruce faulconer soundtrack.

[VegettoEX]

Its because they are not real fans of dbz they just watch for nestalgia purposes and they care about how kais script is accurate they just want that Bruce faulconer soundtrack.

We are not going to entertain a "real fans" discussion here. At all.

[Flame Dragon]

The Faulconer Sountrack is not even that bad, sure it's not appropriate for the show but some tracks are really good. I really like SSJ3 Theme, Vegeta two themes and Gohan Angers.
The only thing that sucks is that the placement is horrible and it never shuts up. The show could have used some silent moments. I hate that it never stops playing,

There are worse replacement soundtracks out there... Anyone remember "DBZ with Megaman-like soundtrack?". Can't remember from what dub that was...

[JEFFMAN219]

Its because they are not real fans of dbz they just watch for nestalgia purposes and they care about how kais script is accurate they just want that Bruce faulconer soundtrack.

We are not going to entertain a "real fans" discussion here. At all.

Sorry I should've refrased that as casual fans and hardcore fans.

[JEFFMAN219]

The Faulconer Sountrack is not even that bad, sure it's not appropriate for the show but some tracks are really good. I really like SSJ3 Theme, Vegeta two themes and Gohan Angers.
The only thing that sucks is that the placement is horrible and it never shuts up. The show could have used some silent moments. I hate that it never stops playing,

There are worse replacement soundtracks out there... Anyone remember "DBZ with Megaman-like soundtrack?". Can't remember from what dub that was...

Lool that was the ocean dub for the cell saga and the buy saga. I like bruces music too but it never shuts up it just keeps playing in the background.

[PhoenixEX]

Nostalgia plain and simple. Many of these people are most likely also "Genwunners".

[WittyUsername]

I really don't get these kind of questions. Just because there's people on Youtube that hate Kai doesn't mean that they are the majority. I've seen people on Youtube that hate The Dark Knight, does that mean that the film is hated by the majority?