DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

[SaiyaJedi]

Does anyone know if all of the chapter title pages were released in the Japanese digital volumes?
The digital volume Viz put up looks to be the same as the print release.

The Japanese digital release uses the same title pages as the Kanzenban, except they're all in color (obviously). The same ones are present, the same ones are absent, and the same ones are moved around.

[MagicBox]

The Japanese digital release uses the same title pages as the Kanzenban, except they're all in color (obviously). The same ones are present, the same ones are absent, and the same ones are moved around.

This is getting off-topic and I apologize, but I wasn't aware that some title pages had been excluded or "moved around" for the Kanzenban release. Is there anything on the main site that covers this in more detail? I just jumped over to the manga guide and didn't see anything at first glance.

[ZombieVito]

I find it awkwardly nice that Goku isn't that hick as he is on the anime, I mean, on the anime he uses words like "ain't" and the likes of it but on the manga he's actually an educated guy (yet he spent all his life on the wild & fighting bad dudes).

Oh, I don't mind that at all. That's fantastic.

Fantastic? It would've been that had they just recoloured his lips rather than taking away and putting a simple white line.

At least he isn't blue.

[SaiyaJedi]

The Japanese digital release uses the same title pages as the Kanzenban, except they're all in color (obviously). The same ones are present, the same ones are absent, and the same ones are moved around.

This is getting off-topic and I apologize, but I wasn't aware that some title pages had been excluded or "moved around" for the Kanzenban release. Is there anything on the main site that covers this in more detail? I just jumped over to the manga guide and didn't see anything at first glance.

From memory:

• the original title pages for Chapters 12, 19, and 44 are excluded;
• the original title page for Chapter 13 is moved to be with Chapter 12;
• the original title page for Chapter 18 is moved to be with Chapter 19; and
• chapter 44 is given a fabricated "title page" using the cover of Weekly Jump 1985 #42.

I don't have a shot of the original title page for Chapter 44 on hand, but it's the same as the cover of Volume 4 of the tankōbon release.

[JeffJarrett]

The Japanese digital release uses the same title pages as the Kanzenban, except they're all in color (obviously). The same ones are present, the same ones are absent, and the same ones are moved around.

This is getting off-topic and I apologize, but I wasn't aware that some title pages had been excluded or "moved around" for the Kanzenban release. Is there anything on the main site that covers this in more detail? I just jumped over to the manga guide and didn't see anything at first glance.

From memory:

• the original title pages for Chapters 12, 19, and 44 are excluded;
• the original title page for Chapter 13 is moved to be with Chapter 12;
• the original title page for Chapter 18 is moved to be with Chapter 19; and
• chapter 44 is given a fabricated "title page" using the cover of Weekly Jump 1985 #42.

I don't have a shot of the original title page for Chapter 44 on hand, but it's the same as the cover of Volume 4 of the tankōbon release.

Great info. I never knew this.

[Luso Saiyan]

Oh, I thought they had changed it again from the previous release.

If that's the only flaw (aside from the awkward Piccolo dialogue which I doubt will ever be revised), I guess I'm going to buy it. Specially now that the Cell and Boo arc were announced.

[MagicBox]

From memory...

Thanks so much! I never knew about this either. I knew many of the Tankōbon-exclusive illustrations were dropped for the Kanzenban, but I had no idea they fiddled with the title pages as well. I really appreciate it!

[dbboxkaifan]

While I'm perfectly fine with Gohan's tiny penis being uncensored (not necessary to hide) somehow Mr. Popo couldn't keep his original lips. Mr. Popo isn't even human and now he looks absolutely pathetic and bland.





*sigh* apart from Mr. Popo's missing lips the full colour manga books are worth buying for sure.

[theoriginalbilis]

Though I'm completely against censorship for the most part, the quality of this release is so gorgeous that I'm willing to overlook a missing pair of lips (it makes Popo look like a fat version of Dr. Brief's cat). Let's just hope it's the only visual edit. I'm still going to keep sending emails and tweets to Viz about restoring "Hercule" back to "Mr. Satan", and I suggest you other fans do it also.

Bring on the Freeza, Cell, and Buu arcs, and you will get my money, Viz!

[KentalSSJ6]

Though I'm completely against censorship for the most part, the quality of this release is so gorgeous that I'm willing to overlook a missing pair of lips (it makes Popo look like a fat version of Dr. Brief's cat). Let's just hope it's the only visual edit. I'm still going to keep sending emails and tweets to Viz about restoring "Hercule" back to "Mr. Satan", and I suggest you other fans do it also.

Bring on the Freeza, Cell, and Buu arcs, and you will get my money, Viz!

Make sure to send emails to them saying Veggerot must never see the light of day again.

[dbboxkaifan]

Make sure to send emails to them saying Veggerot must never see the light of day again.

I'd hope that they'd know it better to not include "Vegerot" and "Hеrcule" in this release. I was disappointed to read "Light of Death" instead of Mankankosappo but I pretended it was Mankankosappo nonetheless.

Not really a fan of these pointless changes and while they don't ruin the experience they just weren't never necessary.

But honestly why the hell couldn't they just recolour Mr. Popo's lips like below?!



The dark pink lips would've been a perfect replacement for Mr. Popo's lips.

[Kendamu]

If Mr. Popo were a major character who consistently appeared in most chapters, I would put up a fight over it. Because he's not and I do understand how his appearance is very Blackface-looking, I'm not really gonna be fussy about it.

[KentalSSJ6]

Make sure to send emails to them saying Veggerot must never see the light of day again.

I'd hope that they'd know it better to not include "Vegerot" and "Hеrcule" in this release. I was disappointed to read "Light of Death" instead of Mankankosappo but I pretended it was Mankankosappo nonetheless.

Not really a fan of these pointless changes and while they don't ruin the experience they just weren't never necessary.

But honestly why the hell couldn't they just recolour Mr. Popo's lips like below?!

*Snip*

The dark pink lips would've been a perfect replacement for Mr. Popo's lips.

I find Light of Death to be quite inaccurate, considering the term "Hikari" (Light) is nowhere in Mankankosappo. Id take Special Beam Cannon over Light of Death.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I find Light of Death to be quite inaccurate, considering the term "Hikari" (Light) is nowhere in Mankankosappo. Id take Special Beam Cannon over Light of Death.

Demon Piercing Light Killing Cannon, or something to that effect.

Hikari is in Makankōsappō, as the "kō". I'm assuming the reading changes based on one of the many "this is placed next to that" rules that Japanese has.

[Herms]

Hikari is in Makankōsappō, as the "kō". I'm assuming the reading changes based on one of the many "this is placed next to that" rules that Japanese has.

Sort of. Basically, because it's a compound word they use the "on-reading" of the character, rather than the "kun-reading". So if you're using "light" as a stand-alone word, the character 光 is indeed read as hikari, but if it's part of a compound word, it's read as kou. The closest equivalent to this in English is probably the use of Latin roots in compound words, such as using "bi" instead of "two" in words like "bicycle", "bisect", etc.

This is a different ball of wax than rendaku, the thing where unvoiced consonants in Japanese become voiced in compound words. For instance, kame is the kun-reading of 亀, "turtle", but it's pronounced as game when used in certain compound words like umi-game, "sea turtle". This is still just the kun-reading of the character, with a slightly altered pronunciation. The on-reading of the 亀 character is actually ki (well, apparently there's a couple others too, but let's keep this simple), used in words like 亀甲/kikou, "tortoise shell".

I suppose rendaku is somewhat similar to how in English we pluralize words by adding an "s" on to the end, but sometimes this "s" is pronounced like a "z" in spoken language. Kind of.

Demon Piercing Light Killing Cannon, or something to that effect.

Yep. So 魔貫光殺砲/makankousappou is a fancy attack name that's basically a big made-up compound word, so all the kanji in it are read with their on-readings. It breaks up like this:

魔: ma; "demon/devil/magic"
貫: kan; "pierce/penetrate
光: kou; "light/ray" (light as in "shiny", rather than "light-weight")
殺: satsu (becomes sappou when combined with hou); "kill"
砲: hou (see above); "cannon/gun"

The basic structure is "cannon" with four modifiers tacked on to the front. So it's a cannon that is demonic, will pierce through you, is shiny/flashy (light), and will kill you. "Special Beam Cannon" therefore maintains the same structure as the original attack name: it's "cannon" with two modifiers. "Beam" isn't too far removed from "light", but "special" pretty obviously seems like a soccer mom-friendly stand-in for "demon". And of course it jettisons "pierce" and "kill" completely, but a full and complete translation of Makankosappo into English really would be a mouthful. So, apart from the "special" nonsense, I guess it's not too bad. Though if you're picking and choosing which of the four adjectives to keep, I'd think "pierce" would be one of the more important ones, since the attack's big trait is that it goes straight through both Raditz and Goku. With that in mind, I'd suggest "Devil Drill Cannon" as a liberal translation that mirrors the format of "Special Beam Cannon" while better maintaining the spirit of the original name.

"Light of Death" is an odd one. Whereas "Makankosappo" has "cannon" as the root word that everything else (including "light") is modifying, the Viz translation treats "light" as the root, then ditches all the other modifiers except "death". The early Viz manga seems to go out of its way to mock the early Funi dub, so they were probably wanting to emphasize that they could use the word "death", which at the time was strictly kept out of the dub (see also early Viz's constant use of "Hell" where the Japanese manga simply says ano-yo/"afterlife", purely to show that they could). But they don't maintain the (in my eyes) important "pierce" bit, or the "demon" part, which is important because almost all of Piccolo's named attacks from this period start off with that, as his little trademark. So Viz's translation of the attack name really isn't any better than the Funi one, in my opinion.

[rereboy]

Make sure to send emails to them saying Veggerot must never see the light of day again.

I'd hope that they'd know it better to not include "Vegerot" and "Hеrcule" in this release. I was disappointed to read "Light of Death" instead of Mankankosappo but I pretended it was Mankankosappo nonetheless.

Not really a fan of these pointless changes and while they don't ruin the experience they just weren't never necessary.

But honestly why the hell couldn't they just recolour Mr. Popo's lips like below?!



The dark pink lips would've been a perfect replacement for Mr. Popo's lips.

Because the dark pink is not very different from the red and the other ones look even more ridiculous than him without visible lips.

[dbboxkaifan]

Because the dark pink is not very different from the red and the other ones look even more ridiculous than him without visible lips.

The problem was solely on the red lips that somehow people were too offended (seriously?!) and with dark pink lips that'd be fixed but as those whiny cretins got heard by Viz it's too late to change it now. Poor Mister Popo...

Anyway, I've finished Vol. 01 yesterday and can't wait to receive my Vol. 02 & 03 which are on my pre-order list.

[rereboy]

The problem was solely on the red lips that somehow people were too offended (seriously?!) and with dark pink lips that'd be fixed but as those whiny cretins got heard by Viz it's too late to change it now. Poor Mister Popo...

No, the problem is the likeness with the Blackface. Merely changing the color to dark pink doesn't significantly decrease its likeness.

[Cold Skin]

From the Kanzenshuu review, it seems like the font is the same in speech bubbles and narration squares.
Was it always like this in the US, with one single font no matter where and why the text appears?

In the French Kanzenban, they mimic the Japanese release, adapting the font to the situation: the regular "comics" font you have will be used in speech bubbles as usual, but a few different fonts will be used for specific voices: narration, a robot talking, Shenron's big and deep voice (that one doesn't exist in the Japanese release) or any voice heard through a microphone (for example announcements at the Tenkaichi Budokai or in a plane).

Similarly to the Japanese version, the font chosen will reflect the kind of voice, for example a much more straight-to-the-point and less stylized font when a robot talks or when a voice his heard through a microphone.
Do you have "speech bubble" fonts for all texts no matter what in the US releases?

[Insertclevername]

I sort of like the blue lips only because I can imagine Toriyama randomly coloring it that way for whatever reason, which is common for his illustrations.