He still deserves fans, including the both of usKid Buu wrote:Hey man, I like Yamcha too, but Toryiama called him a cheater (via Trunks dialogue and that interview).
It's good to see a fellow Yamcha fan like you 
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
I enjoyed seeing that fight with RecoomeKid Buu wrote:Yeah I love his battle with Kami, I hate how Toriyama didn't give a proper battle after that. The anime somewhat fixes this problem by at least letting him have a battle with Recoome and led the Dragon Ball hunt in the Buu arc.
and leading the DB Hunt.
I find it much more constructive and positive to admire characters than hate on them.As is your admiration for him.
When did I say he didn't train a lot...? That seems to be all he does for fun.
No, it's not. Goku got it in a spur of the moment. He got the necessary battle power from zenkais. Gohan got it in a controlled environment, and got the necessary battle power from training in the ROSAT.
And of those senzu, he used five. That's where almost all of his power would have come from. It was smart of him to abuse them, but that doesn't make it less cheap that he went from no match for Cui to strong enough to roflstomp the Ginyus in one week.
Then why do fans insist on calling Yamcha weak when he's done some useful shit.Kid Buu wrote:But I wouldn't say the guy has never had a shining moment. After all he saved Goku from Boss Rabbits men, saved Bulma from Oozaru Goku, found Baba's location for everyone, beat The Invisible Man, and has two signature techniques. A lot of people dismiss his fight with the Invisible Man because he help, but he was initially going to win the fight through sensing the Invisible Man's vibrations. It was only after Baba started singing did he require help.
Not to mention the motherfucker is voiced Tōru Furuya of all people! Funny thing is, he also voices Tuxedo Kamen in the Sailor Moon series, where plays a similar role.
P.S Both Malcolm's Mother and Chi-Chi are good people.
Yeah I do agree that I love the whole family, and some fans ignore the bond she has with them. Actually, she didn't want Gohan playing with Icarus, it's not that's she didn't want him playing. To be honest, I dislike that movie alltogether. Plus, it's implied that she no longer had a problem with Icarus in Cooler's Revenge.garnetjester wrote:I agree with Chichi making a great team with Goku. Some people tend to ignore it, but when he's so laid back with his kids, someone needs to take charge. I loved all the scenes in the movies where she would be telling Gohan that he couldn't go out and play but Goku sneaked behind her back to help Gohan reunite with his dragon and whatnot. It was cute.
There is no interview where Toriyama said Yamcha is a joke.RandomGuy96 wrote: You know damn well which interview I'm talking about.
Except it does. We've seen how Yamcha acts around women he's phobic around, he can't even stand still.RandomGuy96 wrote: For the last fucking time, no, he didn't. Stop making shit up. It's all purely your opinion that someone who's nervous around women wouldn't be able to say "yes" when asked for sex.
Then why do you continually go into topic where people say nice things about Yamcha to say they're wrong and a bunch of idiots for liking the character?RandomGuy96 wrote: I can't really hate someone who's so bland. I just think he's fun to make fun of.
See now, you're ignoring info from Direct interviews with Toriyama.RandomGuy96 wrote:He could have been sarcastic, hence the laugh.
I understand this, but am I the only one who loves Cynthia Cranz' voice? Her voice isn't the problem, it's the yelling that the voice actress is forced to do. Even Cranz joked that all she did was yell and bitch as Chi-Chi XD.superkakarrot2 wrote:I think it's largely due to the Funimation dub at least within the English speaking fandom. They turned Yamcha from a likeable character into a bit of annoying and arrogant douche and turned Chichi into a sterotypical nagging housewife (even more so than the Japanese version) with an irritating voice. That's my opinion anyway.
To each their own; i'm personally not a fan of this paticular voice because of how over the top it was.MediaFanGirl93 wrote:I understand this, but am I the only one who loves Cynthia Cranz' voice?superkakarrot2 wrote:I
think it's largely due to the Funimation dub at least within the
English speaking fandom. They turned Yamcha from a likeable character
into a bit of annoying and arrogant douche and turned Chichi into a
sterotypical nagging housewife (even more so than the Japanese version)
with an irritating voice. That's my opinion anyway.
Her voice isn't the problem, it's the yelling that the voice actress is
forced to do. Even Cranz joked that all she did was yell and bitch as
Chi-Chi XD.
Yes, there is. It's the one where Yamcha's voice actor asks why Toriyama was giving Yamcha such a shitty deal in the android arc. He humorously dismisses him with "Come on, Yamcha's a cheater!".There is no interview where Toriyama said Yamcha is a joke.
Yes. It does. Or at least made fun of for the author explicitly mocking him, like Yamcha.
No, it doesn't. That's just you making shit up and calling Toriyama wrong to defend Yamcha. Oh, and in cases where you say that Yamcha cheating is "directly contradicted", you're also flat-out lying, so there's that.Except it does. We've seen how Yamcha acts around women he's phobic around, he can't even stand still.
Its not as if you speak for Toriyama, you've disagreed with things he's directly said, and talked about how classic DragonBall sucked.
Because he's fun to mock.Then why do you continually go into topic where people say nice things about Yamcha to say they're wrong and a bunch of idiots for liking the character?
No, I'm not. I'm looking at the statement in the context. I doubt he was serious about the statement if he previously mocked Yamcha for being a cheater and more importantly laughed directly after he said that. But even if he wasn't joking, which I find unlikely, it doesn't matter.See now, you're ignoring info from Direct interviews with Toriyama.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I actually thought she was fine as Chi-Chi. It was one of the few vocal performance of the FUNi Z Dub that didn't suck overall; most ranged from painfully amateurish (Goku, Vegeta etc.) for most of the run to straight up terrible (Bulma, Freeza etc.). All she needed was volume control but I think she improved over time especially by Kai (you can at least comprehend what she says when she raise her voice). She's got nothing on Meyumi Sho, though.MediaFanGirl93 wrote:I understand this, but am I the only one who loves Cynthia Cranz' voice? Her voice isn't the problem, it's the yelling that the voice actress is forced to do. Even Cranz joked that all she did was yell and bitch as Chi-Chi XD.superkakarrot2 wrote:I think it's largely due to the Funimation dub at least within the English speaking fandom. They turned Yamcha from a likeable character into a bit of annoying and arrogant douche and turned Chichi into a sterotypical nagging housewife (even more so than the Japanese version) with an irritating voice. That's my opinion anyway.
She could have used that accent in Kai. I don't why the voice actors/actress' for Goku, Chi-Chi, or Gyumao never did when they're all from Texas.Super Sonic wrote:I thought she was great. I also met her at a con and she's a sweet lady with a cute Southern accent.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Nowhere did Toriyama say "I think Yamcha is a joke" in that statement.RandomGuy96 wrote: Yes, there is. It's the one where Yamcha's voice actor asks why Toriyama was giving Yamcha such a shitty deal in the android arc. He humorously dismisses him with "Come on, Yamcha's a cheater!".
Except it does, we've seen how Yamcha acts around women. If he cant' even be around women or date, he wouldn't be able to handle multiple affairs.RandomGuy96 wrote: No, it doesn't. That's just you making shit up and calling Toriyama wrong to defend Yamcha. Oh, and in cases where you say that Yamcha cheating is "directly contradicted", you're also flat-out lying, so there's that.
If that were the case, then you wouldn't insult fans of the character.RandomGuy96 wrote: Because he's fun to mock.
Toriyama laughs about a lot of things. I guess by your logic, Toriyama was joking about Krillin being the strongest human.RandomGuy96 wrote: No, I'm not. I'm looking at the statement in the context. I doubt he was serious about the statement if he previously mocked Yamcha for being a cheater and more importantly laughed directly after he said that. But even if he wasn't joking, which I find unlikely, it doesn't matter.
Here is the video where Cranz joked about her yelling as Chi-Chi, even though she said she never hated her role. I never had a problem with the other voice actresses tho. And is it true that Cranz is in Kai, because I love her as Chi-Chi and Botan from Yu Yu Hakusho.DBZAOTA482 wrote:I actually thought she was fine as Chi-Chi. It was one of the few vocal performance of the FUNi Z Dub that didn't suck overall; most ranged from painfully amateurish (Goku, Vegeta etc.) for most of the run to straight up terrible (Bulma, Freeza etc.). All she needed was volume control but I think she improved over time especially by Kai (you can at least comprehend what she says when she raise her voice). She's got nothing on Meyumi Sho, though.
