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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Attitudefan » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:37 am

SSJ3_Zack wrote:I have a "few" opinions that could be considered unpopular lol:

1) I enjoyed the Super Saiya-Jin transformation in Episode of Bardock. But disagree with the entire concept of the OVA.
2) I love it when Chi-Chi "Bitches" at Son Goku. It's hilarious.
3) Battle of Gods should have had the same art style as Yo! Son Goku & his friends return. I dislike the modern art style.
4) All of the DragonBall Z games are terrible. (Well, Budokai 2 and 3 have an awesome soundtrack and 2 was my first DBZ game ever so I have a soft spot for it)
5) I prefer Brian Drummond's take on Vegeta rather Christopher Sabat's and Ryo Horikawa's portrayals. He acts arrogant and seems to love the sound of his own voice. Also he was awesome as Paikuhan and Vegetto.
6) The Westwood dub is not as bad as people make it out to be (Although I do understand the criticism towards their Cell/Android arc dub).
7) The Blu-Ray season sets are actually not that bad.
8 ) Vegetto should have one voice since he is a permanent fusion. And it should be a mix of Son's and Vegeta's voices not the dual voice that is used in the original Japanese version and Funimation dub.
9) Only Son Goku should be able to obtain the Super Saiya-Jin 3 form.
10) Goten should have been a girl so there would be a female Z-Warrior.
11) There should have also been an overpowered female villain.
12) Android 17 should have joined the Z-Warriors.
13) I want to see Vic Mignogna play Son Goku at some point. He seems like he could pull it off (Sort of..).
14) There should be no good Saiya-Jins. Son should be the only exception.
I agree with what is put into bold. For Drummond over the other two, I agree man. While Horikawa is still a great VA for Vegeta, I just have to give the edge to Drummond. Drummond really brings out Vegeta's arrogance and vanity. He nails it. NAILS it.

Yes, Vegetto should have a single voice since the other fusion characters do too. That is one thing the Westwood dub did better than the original.

Goku being the only saiyan left would be a great plot point, but I do feel there should be Raditz and Vegeta, but they are killed off leaving Goku to be the only one. It would allow the original Z-Senshi to catch up to Son and have much more time to develop as characters over the course of the series.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:31 am

SS3 Goku and SS2 Vegeta vs Janemba is the best movie fight.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:45 am

I'm starting to agree with the notion that Buu Arc should have been like Movie 12. Gohan can kill Buu on Earth while Goku/Vegeta battle him in the afterlife. Just need a way to find Mr. Satan to come to the afterlife though...
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:48 am

Kid Buu wrote:I'm starting to agree with the notion that Buu Arc should have been like Movie 12. Gohan can kill Buu on Earth while Goku/Vegeta battle him in the afterlife. Just need a way to find Mr. Satan to come to the afterlife though...
But that wouldn't make any sense, because villains can't keep their bodies. And if Super Buu came back in the Afterlife, he'd stomp Goku and Vegeta. I also think it'd be totally cheap if Buu can just no-sell death like that.

M12 is more like, "what would happen if Goku actually tried against Fat Buu?". Apparently it somehow lead to Pure Buu forming and Vegeta coming back earlier... I just prefer to let Movie 12 stay as its own thing.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:53 am

Oh right, I forgot in the comic that the villains don't keep their bodies. I've seen the Buu arc plenty of times in the anime, and only once in the manga. So the anime one is usually what my brain goes to.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thekingfallsdown » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:15 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:SS3 Goku and SS2 Vegeta vs Janemba is the best movie fight.
I actually agree with that. I also find Janemba as one of the best villain designs in the series. Let me mention I'm not talking about the fat weird version. Lol. Also I'm talking about design NOT that he's the most fleshed out villain, because he's not.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by garnetjester » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:23 pm

I was scratching my head so hard trying to make sense of the timeline of the movie that I didn't even pay much attention to anything else going on in there. I like that it's a funny movie though, that's my favorite type of movie.

I'll just re watch the movies again with the mindset of "every one of these happened in an alternate universe" and see if my opinion of them changes
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:28 pm

Had Dragonball been planned out, I don't think it would had been as good as it was. I think the "Non Planning" style(Except for some things) works best for DB.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by randomking0x70 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:19 pm

My unpopular DB opinions:
• I think Cell is a rip off of Piccolo Daimaou to a very small extent. Think about it, they both took over a TV broadcast and they both have regeneration abilities. And if you really wanna nitpick about their similarities, they're both green! :lol:
•I actually like some of the characters that a lot of the fandom hates to death for very exaggerated reasons. (Chichi, Yamucha, kid Gohan, ect.)
•The first Raging blast game is kinda bad and the second one is mediocre but playable in short bursts.
•BOTG was the only DBZ movie that wasn't just decent at best. I think it will actually be worth buying on DVD whenever it comes out here. Also, the way the SSJG transformation works is a tad bit stupid.
•The original DBZ looks better than Kai most of the time. The old school art style just fits the character designs IMO. Also, the colors look over saturated in Kai.
•The last episode of DBZ was somewhat boring. It would have been better if it was split into 2 parts because it felt really rushed.
•The ending in general could have been better.
•The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc would've been both a great ending but also an abrupt/open ending because of Goku letting Piccolo go.
•The ending of the Red Ribbon army arc was a little bit underwhelming. It would've been better if Red's planned wish wasn't so stupid. Although I guess you could argue that it was just Toriyama being funny as usual.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:20 pm

Is it a ripoff if he created both characters? Derivative, perhaps, but ripoff is more negative.
•The 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc would've been both a great ending but also an abrupt/open ending because of Goku letting Piccolo go.
I don't think that feels open ended or abrupt. We know Goku's gonna be there to stop him and he gets his wish of having someone to keep him on his toes.
•The ending of the Red Ribbon army arc was a little bit underwhelming. It would've been better if Red's planned wish wasn't so stupid.
I think that's mitigated when Black shoots him in the head and essentially pulls a coup d'état.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:23 pm

Piccolo Damiao can regenerate? I know Piccolo could. But His father? I thought that was never shown and Piccolo said he discovered stuff his father didn't know.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:18 am

randomking0x70 wrote:• I think Cell is a rip off of Piccolo Daimaou to a very small extent. Think about it, they both took over a TV broadcast and they both have regeneration abilities. And if you really wanna nitpick about their similarities, they're both green! :lol:
Well, that would be because Cell has Piccolo's cells, who has Piccolo Daimao's memories, since he is his reincarnation.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:22 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Had Dragonball been planned out, I don't think it would had been as good as it was. I think the "Non Planning" style(Except for some things) works best for DB.
So basically, you're saying that being a poorly written story is what's best for DB? :eh:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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thatdbzguy wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Had Dragonball been planned out, I don't think it would had been as good as it was. I think the "Non Planning" style(Except for some things) works best for DB.
So basically, you're saying that being a poorly written story is what's best for DB? :eh:
You are just unbelievable.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:26 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
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TheGmGoken wrote:Had Dragonball been planned out, I don't think it would had been as good as it was. I think the "Non Planning" style(Except for some things) works best for DB.
So basically, you're saying that being a poorly written story is what's best for DB? :eh:
You are just unbelievable.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:41 am

thatdbzguy wrote: So basically, you're saying that being a poorly written story is what's best for DB? :eh:
Are you still going on about how a story has to be complex and deep to be good and not be poorly written?

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Post by thatdbzguy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:49 am

rereboy wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote: So basically, you're saying that being a poorly written story is what's best for DB? :eh:
Are you still going on about how a story has to be complex and deep to be good and not be poorly written?
I don't think a story has to be deep or complex to be good.

The problem with Dragon Ball (moreso the Z portion) is that it relies far too heavily on all kinds of asspulls to get the plot going and requires so much suspension of disbelief that I can't see how it could possibly classify as a good story. Top that off with a bunch of plot holes and inconsistencies, and you get a pretty terrible story.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:56 am

Once again, a story or any given product are good if the reader thinks they are good. Its a subjective notion. It has nothing to do with anything else. And, as we know, millions like and enjoy Dragon Ball and think its good.

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rereboy wrote:Once again, a story or any given product are good if the reader thinks they are good. Its a subjective notion. It has nothing to do with anything else. And, as we know, millions like and enjoy Dragon Ball and think its good.
I have never met a single person who thought that asspulls and inconsistencies were a good thing.

Dragon Ball got popular for one reason and one reason only: the fighting. When you ask a random DBZ fan why he/she likes DBZ, which do you think they're more likely to say? That he/she thinks the story is just so amazing and the characters are extremely compelling, or that he/she just likes the fighting and he/she grew up with it?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Wibbs » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:18 am

thatdbzguy wrote:
rereboy wrote:Once again, a story or any given product are good if the reader thinks they are good. Its a subjective notion. It has nothing to do with anything else. And, as we know, millions like and enjoy Dragon Ball and think its good.
I have never met a single person who thought that asspulls and inconsistencies were a good thing.

Dragon Ball got popular for one reason and one reason only: the fighting. When you ask a random DBZ fan why he/she likes DBZ, which do you think they're more likely to say? That he/she thinks the story is just so amazing and the characters are extremely compelling, or that he/she just likes the fighting and he/she grew up with it?
What about all those people who grew up with DragonBall not Z or GT. I'm pretty sure they were in it for the story and/or humor.
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