Why do fans hate/demonize Yamcha and Chi-Chi?

[DBZAOTA482]

I actually thought she was fine as Chi-Chi. It was one of the few vocal performance of the FUNi Z Dub that didn't suck overall; most ranged from painfully amateurish (Goku, Vegeta etc.) for most of the run to straight up terrible (Bulma, Freeza etc.). All she needed was volume control but I think she improved over time especially by Kai (you can at least comprehend what she says when she raise her voice). She's got nothing on Meyumi Sho, though.

Here is the video where Cranz joked about her yelling as Chi-Chi, even though she said she never hated her role. I never had a problem with the other voice actresses tho. And is it true that Cranz is in Kai, because I love her as Chi-Chi and Botan from Yu Yu Hakusho.

I already saw it.

[Valerius Dover]

I'm pretty convinced that Yamcha and Chi-Chi are mostly hated on by the American fandom because they were introduced to Dragon Ball Z first. In the first series, Chi-Chi was more of a Type B Tsundere and Yamcha actually did stuff (although he did suffer during the tournaments, it's not like it was all curb-stomp or anything). I actually saw the original Dragon Ball first, and have no problem with them, and find them perfectly relatable and likable.

[MediaFanGirl93]

I'm pretty convinced that Yamcha and Chi-Chi are mostly hated on by the American fandom because they were introduced to Dragon Ball Z first. In the first series, Chi-Chi was more of a Type B Tsundere and Yamcha actually did stuff (although he did suffer during the tournaments, it's not like it was all curb-stomp or anything). I actually saw the original Dragon Ball first, and have no problem with them, and find them perfectly relatable and likable.

I actually love Type-B Tsundere Teenage Chi-Chi, but I'm not a big fan of Kid Chi-Chi because while she was cool sometimes, she was so whiny, she reminded me of Jimmy from Ed, Edd, N Eddy when she cried over petty things. While I don't hate Chi-Chi and Yamcha in DBZ, I wish they were cooler than they were in Dragonball.

[Kid Buu]

I'm pretty convinced that Yamcha and Chi-Chi are mostly hated on by the American fandom because they were introduced to Dragon Ball Z first. In the first series, Chi-Chi was more of a Type B Tsundere and Yamcha actually did stuff (although he did suffer during the tournaments, it's not like it was all curb-stomp or anything). I actually saw the original Dragon Ball first, and have no problem with them, and find them perfectly relatable and likable.

Not to mention all the TFS fans who always bash Yamcha/Raditz while fanwanking Nappa/Mr. Popo. Annoying as hell.

[RocktheDragon]

When it comes to Yamcha I can't really say too many nice things about him, even having watched the original DB anime and having read the manga. I don't particularly find his character compelling in any way whatsoever and I would even get bored when he was on the screen too long. I guess he's adequate for what his character is but he just never clicked with me.

On the other hand Chi-Chi is a character that I always really adored. She may have been overbearing in DBZ with Gohan and all that (especially with the filler scenes) but it was kind of nice to see a character still try and act somewhat responsible and sane with all the craziness transpiring in the series.

[MediaFanGirl93]

When it comes to Yamcha I can't really say too many nice things about him, even having watched the original DB anime and having read the manga. I don't particularly find his character compelling in any way whatsoever and I would even get bored when he was on the screen too long. I guess he's adequate for what his character is but he just never clicked with me.

On the other hand Chi-Chi is a character that I always really adored. She may have been overbearing in DBZ with Gohan and all that (especially with the filler scenes) but it was kind of nice to see a character still try and act somewhat responsible and sane with all the craziness transpiring in the series.

Honestly, I dislike some of the filler scenes with Chichi when she's upset. I don't mind the filler episodes when she's spending time with the fam. While she's not useful in fights, at least she's shown to be able to fight and defend herself. I mean, I remember one time on Youtube when someone requested for her to be a "dumbass in distress".

[Valerius Dover]

When it comes to Yamcha I can't really say too many nice things about him, even having watched the original DB anime and having read the manga. I don't particularly find his character compelling in any way whatsoever and I would even get bored when he was on the screen too long. I guess he's adequate for what his character is but he just never clicked with me.

On the other hand Chi-Chi is a character that I always really adored. She may have been overbearing in DBZ with Gohan and all that (especially with the filler scenes) but it was kind of nice to see a character still try and act somewhat responsible and sane with all the craziness transpiring in the series.

Honestly, I dislike some of the filler scenes with Chichi when she's upset. I don't mind the filler episodes when she's spending time with the fam. While she's not useful in fights, at least she's shown to be able to fight and defend herself. I mean, I remember one time on Youtube when someone requested for her to be a "dumbass in distress".

Whoa, really!? When has she ever been in distress or held hostage or anything? I can understand people hating on her overbearing-ness, but now they're just making up stuff out of nowhere. She's understandably PO'd, the way I see it. Goku hardly spends any time with his family and keeps breaking promises, it seems. I have no idea how marriages or relationships work, but I'd imagine that would give her a few issues. Then again, she already showed signs of this before Raditz arrived.

[Gokuden]

I'm pretty sure Yamucha has appeared in other mangas by Akira, he's a reknown protoman that fits in anywhere. Just look at this Tsukutsun Tsun from Penguin Village:

Although normally not as strong as the powerful Arale Norimaki or Gatchans, when extremely angry, Tsuruten Tsun becomes more powerful than both. For some reason, whenever he is touched by a woman he turns into a tiger and cannot change back unless touched by a man. To his confusion, Arale does not trigger the transformation since she is an android (not a real girl). Tsukutsun Tsun later starts dating Akane Kimidori.

Tsukutsun Tsun is briefly seen in the General Blue Saga from Dragon Ball, telling Akane he is going to practice Kung Fu for all of Spring Break.

Holy Smokes Bejita! This could be Yamucha's long lost brother when they were séparés at birth. Both of them act so strangely around women!! I'm damn sure this is his brother 100%. The birthday would also make sense, it would make him around the same age as Yamucha at the start of DragonBall. This is definitely a nod.

Creation and Concept
When Akira Toriyama decided to create Dragon Ball, he used Wu Cheng'en's Journey to the West as a prototype for his own series.[7] Yamcha is most likely based on Sha Wujing, also known as Sha Seng, from this novel.[8] Both are powerful bandits (Yamcha from a sandy desert, and Sha from a sand river), who eventually change their ways and help the heroes on their quest.

MisterHo
Mister Hō
A likely prototype design for Yamcha was the title character to Akira Toriyama's one-shot Pink. Although Pink is a female, she also is a bandit living in a desert hideout who has an animal companion and rides a flying vehicle similar to Yamcha's Jet Squirrel. After cutting his long hair for the first time in the series, Yamcha looks very similar to the Dr. Slump character Tsukutsun Tsun, in both appearance and characteristics.

The main character in Akira Toriyama's 1986 manga, Mister Hō, looks exactly like Yamcha. It seems like both characters influenced each other, as Mister Hō was released during the Red Ribbon Army Saga of Dragon Ball and Yamcha does not get a look similar to that of Mister Hō until his hair is long again later in the series. Also, both characters share a similar personality, Mister Hō being very clumsy in the presence of a girl he likes.

Mister Ho, and The woMAN who looks like Yamcha? Maybe Akira did have an affair with the character after all.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Yamcha
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As for Chichi, well... She was okay in DragonBall, but her character degraded into a hysterical pyjama party. I don't care how you kids say it was the dub, try watching the first 4 episodes after we see F. Trunks, she was just as nuts as ever, even in Japanese.

[OmegaRockman]

I personally love both characters and see no reason for the hate. The obvious reason why people rag on Yamcha is the fact that he hardly wins fights. That can pretty much go without saying.

As for Chichi, I think almost all of her actions in the series are understandable and the less charming aspects of her character are accentuated through filler/the old Z dub (Cranz got much better in the Kai dub in my opinion). I personally think that Chichi's claims to not give a damn about the fate of the world during the Artificial Human/Cell arc are nothing more than a way to shut Goku and his friends up about letting Gohan fight. Of COURSE she's not stupid enough to think that Gohan's studies matter once the world blows up, she just thinks the claim that Gohan's the world's only hope is a pathetic attempt to get her permission to let Gohan fight and that Goku knows that he can take down the bad guy all along. She gets irritated, says that the world can burn for all she cares, and then hopes that Goku will give up asking and beat up the villain himself. Of course, Chichi gives in and lets Gohan tag along, possibly knowing deep down that Goku is right about Gohan's abilities. Then the Boo arc comes along and Chichi is much more reasonable, extremely likely affected by Goku's death. Otherwise, Chichi is always acting as a supportive wife and mother, bringing Gohan snacks after a long study session, beating up tutors that speak ill of her husband (though that was a filler scene), and taking care of her husband when he's dealing with a life-threatening heart virus. Whenever Goku and Chichi share a romantic moment (like when Goku wakes up upon his recovery from the heart disease), it feels so genuine and it's wonderful to see, even if those moments are few and far between.

To be honest, the worst thing that Chichi ever does as a wife is during the Saiyan arc when she acts like she doesn't care about Goku even though he was pretty close to dying (again), saying it was his fault that Gohan was put in such a terrible situation. And honestly, I can see why she feels that way. After hearing about Goku's death and her son's kidnapping, Chichi was probably in denial and even suffering from depression. Her entire family save for her father was taken away from her after she expected them to be back from a trip with people she trusted. It's not hard to believe that Chichi would be having many conflicting emotions. Also, she never actually SAW Goku die nor did she see his body since it went with him to the afterlife and the first time that she saw him after his death was once he was revived, so Chichi never had any hard evidence that Goku was actually dead other than the fact that he wasn't around, and for all she knew Goku could have taken Gohan and started training him behind her back, using the whole death thing as an excuse. Of course, Chichi realized the truth later, but if she was denying her husband's death for a whole year before seeing him alive (though not so well) on the battlefield, why is it irrational for her to have the kneejerk anger that she displayed at that time? She's been dealing with a lot of shit, so I think she's earned the right to be a little unstable. Of course, the filler scenes where Chichi is taking care of Goku in the hospital and scolding Goku for training before he's better, even going out of her way to look for him when he sneaks out shows that she truly does care for him like a wife should. Of course, this is all speculation, so take it as you will.

[ChiChiFan]

Even though Yamcha isn't my favorite character, I don't know why he gets so much hate.

As for Chichi, I've always liked her as a character. She does have flaws and can be overbearing at times but she does care about her family. The fans go too far with the hate for Chichi. You have fans saying Chichi was a worse villain than Frieza and Vegeta, and those two killed people. The woman lost her husband twice, was separated from her son for a year yet she's the bad guy? There are some things I don't agree with what Chichi has done but she is a good person. Plus, you can blame Toriyama for not writing good female characters because majority of them are not like able, especially Bulma, who's more of a bitch than Chichi yet she gets a pass.

[DBZAOTA482]

Even though Yamcha isn't my favorite character, I don't know why he gets so much hate.

As for Chichi, I've always liked her as a character. She does have flaws and can be overbearing at times but she does care about her family. The fans go too far with the hate for Chichi. You have fans saying Chichi was a worse villain than Freeza and Vegeta, and those two killed people. The woman lost her husband twice, was separated from her son for a year yet she's the bad guy? There are some things I don't agree with what Chichi has done but she is a good person. Plus, you can blame Toriyama for not writing good female characters because majority of them are not like able, especially Bulma, who's more of a bitch than Chichi yet she gets a pass.

Bulma is a fairly popular character so if she does something blatantly evil or just plain wrong, naturally people are going to support her (I've even seen people try to justify her actions towards Yamcha when they were clearly abuse). Chi-Chi isn't that popular of a character to begin with (largely due to not having much of a role) so if she doesn't share the same values as other characters who are popular... then off with her head (and the fact that various non-canon material tends to exaggerate her character a lot isn't doing her any favor).

[MediaFanGirl93]

The fans go too far with the hate for Chichi. You have fans saying Chichi was a worse villain than Freeza and Vegeta, and those two killed people. The woman lost her husband twice, was separated from her son for a year yet she's the bad guy? There are some things I don't agree with what Chichi has done but she is a good person. Plus, you can blame Toriyama for not writing good female characters because majority of them are not like able, especially Bulma, who's more of a bitch than Chichi yet she gets a pass.

Not to mention, they exaggerate stuff Chi-Chi did that shouldn't be even considered bad, like fans griping about her commentary in the video game "DBZ Boudakai Tenkaichi 3" game (like her calling Super Saiyans delinquents, when everything she said is all played for laughs). Fans even ignore/dismiss Chi-chi's good qualities and her good behavior in some episodes of the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga, and still insist she's a horrible person, despite her showing that she cares about her family millions of times in the series. I do agree Chi-Chi can be annoying sometimes with some things she's done, but fans exaggerate this, and I've even see people calling her a monster.

While I don't hate Bulma, I do agree that it's annoying how fans whitewash her behavior, but that's how fandoms are. Just like DBZAOTA482 said, Bulma's popular, so of course fans are gonna ignore her bad behavior, but that doesn't make the fanbase's hypocrisy right per se.

Bulma is a fairly popular character so if she does something blatantly evil or just plain wrong, naturally people are going to support her (I've even seen people try to justify her actions towards Yamcha when they were clearly abuse). Chi-Chi isn't that popular of a character to begin with (largely due to not having much of a role) so if she doesn't share the same values as other characters who are popular... then off with her head (and the fact that various non-canon material tends to exaggerate her character a lot isn't doing her any favor).

Not to mention, the expectations fans have for these characters, because I've seen Goku get bashed a lot for his actions, and he's the most popular character of the show. I do think it's because Goku is a nice guy, whereas Bulma and Vegeta aren't nice people, so of course fans are going to ignore their behavior.

[garnetjester]

The undying love for Vegeta in all of the fandom is so weird to me when there is so much hatred for an innocent character like Chichi. I mean, I love Vegeta, he's awesome and really funny even when he tries not to be, but come on, the guy is a jerk. He's made stupid decisions just like Goku, but he gets a pass because... I don't even know why.

I never thought Bulma was bad, and I admit I really love her character, she's hilarious, but she's not exactly a good person.

[dbboxkaifan]

Yamucha is the cheesy, weak, forgettable and lonely guy who never gets a girlfriend during the entire series so it's hard to look up to him really.

Still, I do have to agree with Yamucha when he said this:



B-but bullying strong people is okay? Hmm..

[Kid Buu]

Yamcha had multiple girlfriends in the series, actually.

[dbboxkaifan]

Yamcha had multiple girlfriends in the series, actually.

Never one that actually stuck with him and married him.

[Kid Buu]

I think Yamcha's character arc could have lasted a little bit longer (along side Tenshinhan's, but that is another topic). I mean being that his whole arc in the first saga was about getting over his fear of girls, I definitely think it'd have been more fitting if he had beaten Ram Fan in the 21st Budokai.

[sonikku956]

Think about it we almost don't get to see Chi-Chi's point of view on things. It's always about what Goku and Z-Senshi view as important. I mean, wouldn't it have been nice to see (or at least have a glimpse) the year of stress Chi-Chi was put through during the Saiyan Saga, and all of it with only her father as company and Goku (her one and only) not their to comfort her? It would make it easier to sympathize with her objection to Gohan going to Namek.

I still think she's the stereotypical authoritarian parent, rather than the "abusive" parents fans make her out to be.

I think the "stereotypical overbearing shonen mother" is a more accurate way to Chi-Chi's portrayal. When I think stereotypical authoritarian parent, I think Lois from Malcom in the Middle.

That may be the reason why fans complain about how protective she was when she got angry at Gohan for wanting to leave to go to Namek, when she was right to be upset at that moment. And yes, I do agree with Chi-Chi being an overbearing shonen mama because Lois from Malcolm in the Middle is far worse than Chi-Chi lol. I also agree with how Yamcha is an easy target because of how Toriyama made him to be a butt monkey. I mean, every time I think of how Yamcha is treated on the show, I think of Meg Griffin from Family Guy, because they both serve that purpose on the show.

(but they seem to be all over Vegeta who is admittedly a jerk, for some reason).

Presumably because Vegeta's a saiyan who has a lot of power to back up his arrogance and rude attitude (despite him losing because of his arrogance as well), and Yamcha's a human being with no superpowers (no offense). Also, I think Yamcha cheating on Bulma is supposed to be a dub thing, because he's shown to be outright terrified of women.

Eh? But he's multiple times stronger than any normal human. Only Tenshinhan, Krillin, and Oob are stronger.

[MediaFanGirl93]

Eh? But he's multiple times stronger than any normal human. Only Tenshinhan, Krillin, and Oob are stronger.

I'm aware of that. It's just that fans ignore this and insist he's weak.

[sailorspazz]

I don't think the "normal" fandom hates Yamcha so much. I mean, he loses relevance as the series goes on, but so do the other non-Saiyan characters. I see more "ha ha, Yamcha's a loser" jokes rather than outright hatred for him.

Once you look into the shipping side of fandom, though...hoo boy, Yamcha gets raked over the coals. He cheated on Bulma, so he's obviously a rapist and a cannibal, and I'm sure he always leaves the toilet seat up, too. That bastard! It's very common in fandoms for fans of certain couples to make any threat to their favorite pairing look like the scum of the Earth. Hollywood romantic comedies typically have the formula of two characters meeting who are obviously going to end up together in the end, but one or both of them are dating an asshole who the audience is clearly supposed to root against (admittedly, I'm not a fan of the genre, so I don't know if this setup is still common). So maybe fans are just trying to recreate that formula where they have to somehow make the nice guy look infinitely worse than the genocidal asshole.

Though I'm a huge fan of Vegeta/Bulma, I also really like Yamcha, so I don't get the mentality of fans who try to make him into the most hated character in the series. Sometimes I get reviews on my fanfic from Yamcha haters who are all like "yeah, Yamcha sucks!", which I find amusing/confusing since I honestly don't feel like I'm bashing his character. I haven't really read much fanfiction in recent years, so I'm not sure if most Vegeta/Buma fanfics are still largely anti-Yamcha, but the level of hate I saw in the past was quite ridiculous, and I never found it to be fair to the character.

As for Chichi...well, I can't say I've ever been a fan, but I've never actively hated her, either. I can understand people being annoyed by her, since she often tries to prevent characters from fighting in a series where fights are what the audience wants to see. I can't say much in her defense, since I'm not too fond of her myself, but I agree that, like Yamcha, the hatred against her can go overboard.