Unpopular DB opinions

[thatdbzguy]

Once again, a story or any given product are good if the reader thinks they are good. Its a subjective notion. It has nothing to do with anything else. And, as we know, millions like and enjoy Dragon Ball and think its good.

I have never met a single person who thought that asspulls and inconsistencies were a good thing.

Dragon Ball got popular for one reason and one reason only: the fighting. When you ask a random DBZ fan why he/she likes DBZ, which do you think they're more likely to say? That he/she thinks the story is just so amazing and the characters are extremely compelling, or that he/she just likes the fighting and he/she grew up with it?

What about all those people who grew up with DragonBall not Z or GT. I'm pretty sure they were in it for the story and/or humor.

I'm referring to Z mostly.

[Gonstead]

Funny, most people I talk to when DBZ comes up as a topic, the fighting is the last thing that gets discussed. Did I also mention that these people are ones who do not reside on the Internet?

Don't assume people only discuss one thing about a show when you mention it to someone.

[Wibbs]

I'm referring to Z mostly.

I don't see how that proves your point. Z had all the things DraghonBall had, but in space.

[thatdbzguy]

I'm referring to Z mostly.

I don't see how that proves your point. Z had all the things DraghonBall had, but in space.

Z had adventure? Besides flying around a planet that looks exactly the same everywhere, adventure was largely forgotten.

[Wibbs]

I'm referring to Z mostly.

I don't see how that proves your point. Z had all the things DraghonBall had, but in space.

Z had adventure? Besides flying around a planet that looks exactly the same everywhere, adventure was largely forgotten.

What about the filler with Gohan, the 7 days of rest filler. I know a lot of it was filler, but I know you're referring to the show. After all most average joes who you're talking about will have only seen the show. Most fans who have read the manga tend to see the larger picture. I realize I'm making quite a bold claim there but I can't see another way to get my point across.

[randomking0x70]

Piccolo Damiao can regenerate? I know Piccolo could. But His father? I thought that was never shown and Piccolo said he discovered stuff his father didn't know.

D'oh! I completely forgot about that!

[baneofdemon22]

I wish there weren't all the power level multipliers. I would rather interpret for myself how powerful a character is from looking at the characters' feats. I hate that there are established power levels for characters, and I have yet to look at any of them. It just leads to a bunch of mindless battles, and boiling characters down to just muscle, and disregarding any characteristics.

I also don't like the different labeling of the Super Saiyan forms. I wish they were just all called Super Saiyan and all stronger forms would just be "beyond" or "ascended" forms. I want Goku's speech to be like this:

"This is me as a Super Saiyan. And then...this is a Super Saiyan that's gone even beyond a Super Saiyan. And this...this...is going even further beyond Super Saiyan..." And then the long hair form would be considered SSJ2, not SSJ3.

[rereboy]

Once again, a story or any given product are good if the reader thinks they are good. Its a subjective notion. It has nothing to do with anything else. And, as we know, millions like and enjoy Dragon Ball and think its good.

I have never met a single person who thought that asspulls and inconsistencies were a good thing.

Dragon Ball got popular for one reason and one reason only: the fighting. When you ask a random DBZ fan why he/she likes DBZ, which do you think they're more likely to say? That he/she thinks the story is just so amazing and the characters are extremely compelling, or that he/she just likes the fighting and he/she grew up with it?

Nothing is perfect, everything has flaws. Therefore, people consider things good when they believe that what they find good about it outweighs the bad things about it.

So, Dragon Ball having flaws is meaningless on its own. As long as people think that the good about it outweighs the bad, they will find it good.

[thatdbzguy]

Once again, a story or any given product are good if the reader thinks they are good. Its a subjective notion. It has nothing to do with anything else. And, as we know, millions like and enjoy Dragon Ball and think its good.

I have never met a single person who thought that asspulls and inconsistencies were a good thing.

Dragon Ball got popular for one reason and one reason only: the fighting. When you ask a random DBZ fan why he/she likes DBZ, which do you think they're more likely to say? That he/she thinks the story is just so amazing and the characters are extremely compelling, or that he/she just likes the fighting and he/she grew up with it?

Nothing is perfect, everything has flaws. Therefore, people consider things good when they believe that what they find good about it outweighs the bad things about it.

So, Dragon Ball having flaws is meaningless on its own. As long as people think that the good about it outweighs the bad, they will find it good.

Then please, enlighten me on what's so amazing about DBZ.

[VegettoEX]

Then please, enlighten me on what's so amazing about DBZ.

I don't see why that's necessary here when people have done so - directly to you specifically individually in particular - via multiple threads over and over again.

[rereboy]

Then please, enlighten me on what's so amazing about DBZ.

I've already done so to you in other topics. And I get the distinct impression that that request is just you avoiding a real response to the point I was making.

[thatdbzguy]

Then please, enlighten me on what's so amazing about DBZ.

I've already done so to you in other topics. And I get the distinct impression that that request is just you avoiding a real response to the point I was making.

I acknowledge your point, I just wanted you to back it up with why exactly you think the pros outweigh the cons. I know this has been discussed in other threads, but then again, so has most everything else DB-related.

If you don't want to, fine. This debate is null and void in that case.

[rereboy]

In short, I love the imaginative and gripping style of the narrative and story. It has pretty unique flavor that its incredibly gripping and likable. I like the imaginative universe that the author created. I love the characters, almost all are compelling and hold my interest. I love the humor. I love almost all of the fights. I love the pacing (in the manga) and how it always leaves you wanting more in a pretty addicting way. I love the art, how its simple and yet so interesting, pretty and easy to follow, even during the action scenes. I love how incredibly fun it is to just read it. I love how unpredictable it can be the first time we read it. And so on.

[thatdbzguy]

In short, I love the imaginative and gripping style of the narrative and story. It has pretty unique flavor that its incredibly gripping and likable. I like the imaginative universe that the author created. I love the characters, almost all are compelling and hold my interest. I love the humor. I love almost all of the fights. I love the pacing (in the manga) and how it always leaves you wanting more in a pretty addicting way. I love the art, how its simple and yet so interesting, pretty and easy to follow, even during the action scenes. I love how incredibly fun it is to just read it. I love how unpredictable it can be the first time we read it. And so on.

I can't really argue against any of that stuff because those are your personal feelings towards the franchise. Not really anything objective to go off of.

I will say that in my eyes, the characters are too one-dimensional to be compelling, the humor is almost nonexistant in the Z portion of DB (and what little there is really isn't even that funny), and the only reason for most of DBZ's "unpredictability" is the numerous amounts of blatantly obvious asspulls all throughout the story.

[rereboy]

In short, I love the imaginative and gripping style of the narrative and story. It has pretty unique flavor that its incredibly gripping and likable. I like the imaginative universe that the author created. I love the characters, almost all are compelling and hold my interest. I love the humor. I love almost all of the fights. I love the pacing (in the manga) and how it always leaves you wanting more in a pretty addicting way. I love the art, how its simple and yet so interesting, pretty and easy to follow, even during the action scenes. I love how incredibly fun it is to just read it. I love how unpredictable it can be the first time we read it. And so on.

I can't really argue against any of that stuff because those are your personal feelings towards the franchise. Not really anything objective to go off of.

I will say that in my eyes, the characters are too one-dimensional to be compelling, the humor is almost nonexistant in the Z portion of DB (and what little there is really isn't even that funny), and the only reason for most of DBZ's "unpredictability" is the numerous amounts of blatantly obvious asspulls all throughout the story.

There is nothing objective about something being good or not. Its an entirely subjective notion. You can show me the highest praised movie in history and I might think it sucks. Why? Because its my opinion. Because its subjective. Because I may like a character that isn't that deep more than another that has vast amounts of depth. Heck, I may even disagree with you about him being deep.

There's is also nothing inherently good about a plot being complex or about characters being multi-dimensional. A plot can be extremely complex and I still find it way worse and much less enjoyable than one that is much simpler. Same thing about characters.

Also, I disagree about the humor in the DBZ portion. It has great humor and its still very much present, even if not as present in some arcs as it is in others. See? Opinion.

Oh, and most of the unpredictability aren't related to Deus Ex Machinas which are more of a factor in the Buu arc, though that doesn't affect how much I like the Buu arc. See? Opinion again.

[Kid Buu]

I like the Namek arc better in the anime, I enjoy most of the filler in the arc and think it actually improves the narrative. There's a few spots I find boring, but I also found them boring in the comic.

[garnetjester]

Here's an unpopular opinion: My favorite character is Kid Gohan.

BTW, I grew up with Dragon Ball, when I was like 6 or 7 years old, and got into Z when I was like 12, I don't like it because of the fights but because I love every character and I really like how determined they are to achieve what they want (getting strong, becoming a scholar, whatever). Obviously, I really enjoy the fighting because otherwise I wouldn't even stand it, but that's not what draws me in the most.

[DBZAOTA482]

Here's an unpopular opinion: My favorite character is Kid Gohan.

BTW, I grew up with Dragon Ball, when I was like 6 or 7 years old, and got into Z when I was like 12, I don't like it because of the fights but because I love every character and I really like how determined they are to achieve what they want (getting strong, becoming a scholar, whatever). Obviously, I really enjoy the fighting because otherwise I wouldn't even stand it, but that's not what draws me in the most.

I also grew up on Dragon Ball as well around the same age. With Z, I was mostly familiar with just the Namek Saga and the Majin Boo Saga along with the video games but I watched almost every saga of Dragon Ball even the Wedding Dress Saga (GoChi is nostalgic for me).

[garnetjester]

Yes, I remember everything Dragon Ball related pretty clearly, but I even forgot that Freeza killed Vegeta in Z until I rewatched Kai last year. Oops.

[Kid Buu]

Here's an unpopular opinion: My favorite character is Kid Gohan.

Gohan is my favourite of the "Kid" characters because I find him the most realistic.